<font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Ginger,<br><br>These comments are comments are not posted for discussion in today's meetings. Think of this discussion as a sideline discussion during the review process, to take further shape as a concrete proposal. Yes, we will send this to the Secretariat as a suggestion.<br>
<br clear="all"></font></font></font>Sivasubramanian Muthusamy<br><a href="http://www.isocmadras.com">http://www.isocmadras.com</a><br><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Ginger Paque <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gpaque@gmail.com">gpaque@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<font face="Verdana">Good point, Shiva, and one many have made at the
OC this morning. We are now past the time for this agenda point, and
are moving on to agenda. We are not looking for a solution for today,
but for participation in a process. I suggest that you send this
comment directly to the IGF secretariat, and I know the RPWG will take
it under consideration.<br>
<br>
Best,<br><font color="#888888">
Ginger<br>
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Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:
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<div><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Hello Ginger</font></font></font></div>
<div><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</font></font></font></div>
<div><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Oliver and I had a chat on this topic and I
have had some exchanges on twitter with Marilla. </font></font></font></div>
<div><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Our concern is not to find a temporary
solution to participate in the meeting today, it is a general concern,
it is about the technical resources required for remote participation,
by IGF standards</font></font></font></div>
<div><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</font></font></font></div>
<div><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif">IGF is *THE* Internet forum, a place where
the who is who of Internet and all the technical expertise converges
and the infrastructure available must be uncompromising. The present
standards are a generation behind, there is no room for contention. </font></font></font></div>
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<div>It is all run by volunteers, yes, but this is not a comment
about people, it is a comment about the resources to be committed,
about the attention that needs to be paid. IGF needs to consult
professionals months in advance to determine the bandwidth
and infrastructure requirements, arrange to send experts to the
locations days in advance to flawlessly set up the remote participation
infrastructure. </div>
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<div>My suggestion here is that administratively the
IGF Secretariat could call for advise from the technical community </div>
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</font></font></font>Sivasubramanian Muthusamy<br>
<a href="http://www.isocmadras.com" target="_blank">http://www.isocmadras.com</a><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Bernard
Sadaka <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sdkaaa@gmail.com" target="_blank">sdkaaa@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Olivier,<br>
Please find bellow all the ways you could participate in the current
IGF OC:<br>
<ul>
<li>Remote participation including coveritlive, twitter and
video/audio: <a href="http://www.igfremote.info/RP/" target="_blank">http://www.igfremote.info/RP/</a></li>
<li>Remote participation including coveritlive, twitter and audio
only: <a href="http://www.igfremote.info/RP/audioonly.php" target="_blank">http://www.igfremote.info/RP/audioonly.php</a></li>
<li>Remote participation from your mobile including coveritlive,
twitter and no audio or video: <a href="http://www.igfremote.info/mRP/" target="_blank">http://www.igfremote.info/mRP/</a></li>
<li>Remote participation via Webex: <span><a href="http://bit.ly/bvJQSY" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/bvJQSY</a></span></li>
</ul>
Let me know if i can help you in any other way...<br>
All the best,
<div><br>
Bernard<br clear="all">
-- <br>
Bernard SADAKA<br>
Mobile: +961 3 172377<br>
Email : <a href="mailto:sdkaaa@gmail.com" target="_blank">sdkaaa@gmail.com</a><br>
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BsE in Computer and Communication Engineer<br>
Lebanon <br>
<br>
<br>
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<div>On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Olivier MJ
Crepin-Leblond <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Hello Bernard,<br>
<br>
thank you, and thanks to all of the others (Patrik Fältström, for
example), who have tried to have some kind of remote participation
set-up. This is not meant as a criticism of anyone, just a provocative
remark to get some people to open their eyes, rather than bathing each
other in congratulatory, back-patting, empty speech.<br>
<br>
The trouble is that I've never managed to get the video/audio feed to
work.<br>
For one, they don't work with Firefox.<br>
And then it appears that there's not enough bandwidth somewhere along
the line...<br>
I can get Webex, Skype, Marratech, Adobe Meeting, and Jabber to work
perfectly, even with 2-way video, and yet, remote participation at this
meeting = nil.<br>
<br>
Whatever, remote participation, for me, currently rates at 0/10. ie.
non existent.<br>
<br>
Any remote participation system should be designed for 100s of remote
participants, and should not fail when more than 10 people connect
simultaneously...<br>
<br>
My question: with the whole point of the IGF being multi-stakeholder
public participation, why is this subject not being dealt with in a
professional way?<br>
The current arrangement is very poor. Sorry, I mean: dreadful. It makes
the whole IGF process a complete joke. <br>
Perhaps Dr. Touré was right when he used the term "waste of time".<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
Le 08/02/2010 22:00, Bernard Sadaka a écrit :
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<div dir="ltr">Thx Sivasubramanian,<br>
You could also use <a href="http://www.igfremote.info/RP/" target="_blank">http://www.igfremote.info/RP/</a>
<br>
or <a href="http://www.igfremote.info/mRP/" target="_blank">http://www.igfremote.info/mRP/</a>
from a mobile phone (you won't have webcast though here :) )<br>
All the Best.<br>
Bernard.<br clear="all">
-- <br>
Bernard SADAKA<br>
Mobile: +961 3 172377<br>
Email : <a href="mailto:sdkaaa@gmail.com" target="_blank">sdkaaa@gmail.com</a><br>
------------------------------------------------------<br>
BsE in Computer and Communication Engineer<br>
Lebanon <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:57 PM,
Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com" target="_blank">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Hello<br>
<br>
Bernard sdkaaa of Lebanon has gathered this info that would make it
easy to participate remotely in the meeting tomorrow:<br>
<br>
<br>
Live Blog: IGF February 2010 Open Consultations<br>
Date: Tuesday February 9, 2010<br>
Time: 09:30 CET<br>
<br>
In order to view the event, simply click here. Or alternatively,
copy-paste this link in your browser:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.igfremote.info/RP/?altcast_code=e02867f44e" target="_blank">http://www.igfremote.info/RP/?altcast_code=e02867f44e</a><br>
<br>
No passwords necessary.<br>
<br>
Questions to <a href="mailto:sharmstocktaking@intgovforum.org" target="_blank">sharmstocktaking@intgovforum.org</a><br>
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</font></font></font>Sivasubramanian Muthusamy<br>
<a href="http://www.isocmadras.com" target="_blank">http://www.isocmadras.com</a><br>
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<pre cols="72">--
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD
<a href="http://www.gih.com/ocl.html" target="_blank">http://www.gih.com/ocl.html</a>
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