[governance] Round III - 15 from non-gov stakeholders 5+5+5
Lee W McKnight
lmcknigh at syr.edu
Fri Dec 17 15:32:42 EST 2010
Hi Anriette,
Oh good your personal neck then is indeed out.
Since it is still unclear at least to me what final text emerged, I suppose my seconding your personal call...for cs to save travel costs and aggravation dealing with the suggested Hardly Working group; is premature as well.
But...it would certainly be cheaper, easier and faster to do something similar to that proposed - form a working group to suggest improvements in IGF - all online, without those pesky off-topic government folks distracting people from substantive matters. Well maybe we invite them to comment, for 5 minutes, when we're done. I mean when you're done, since it's your neck out there.
Lee
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From: governance-request at lists.cpsr.org [governance-request at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Anriette Esterhuysen [anriette at apc.org]
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Subject: Re: [governance] Round III - 15 from non-gov stakeholders 5+5+5
Dear Lee
I would be happy to stick my head out but had to leave for the airport.
I had suggested the language 'be invited to join the working group...'
which was endorsed by the EU but that is now long gone.
We will need to see what they come up with and then APC will consult
with our members and decide whether to participate or not.
I personally feel that if we cannot participate in discussion and
formulation of text it is not worth it. We have made so many submissions
already. And so have others.
If the next stage does not allow us to discuss and debate the substance
of IGF improvements with governments, what is the point of spending time
and resources to write statements, submit them, and travel 10s of
thousands of kilometers to read them.
Anriette
On 17/12/10 20:30, Lee W McKnight wrote:
> Hey Bertrand,
>
> We don't know yet if Bill would be bluffing right? Izumi as co-coordinator maybe should be more..politic but Bill or Anriette could stick their necks out.
>
> Since if the meetings ends as it stands, the assembled government reps should know it is a non-starter for other MSH's and they just wasted a day.
>
> In everyone's respective roles as they say.
>
> Lee
> ________________________________________
> From: Bertrand de La Chapelle [bdelachapelle at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 1:26 PM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Lee W McKnight
> Cc: William Drake; Izumi AIZU; Michael Gurstein; Roland Perry
> Subject: Re: [governance] Round III - 15 from non-gov stakeholders 5+5+5
>
> Respectfully disagree, Lee.
>
> Let's see the end of it today and then, depending on the final outcome (that does not look good), seriously consider boycott.
>
> M. Sha, in the consultations on enhanced cooperation, repeatedly used the exact wording of the CSTD/ECOSOC/UNGA resolution to hammer that the question of the relationship between IGF and enhanced cooperation (separate but complementary) had been finally set and that we should all stick with the letter of this resolution.
>
> Why should it be the case for that statement and not for the very clear paragraph regarding the group to be set up BY THE CHAIR of the CSTD ?
>
> How can a whole day of discussion have revolved around the interpretation of an absolutely straightforward wording ?
>
> Bottom line : a group composed only of governmental representatives (and hopefully without the governments that oppose the current "consensus") would be, purely and simply illegitimate.
>
> Official protest necessary if it goes that way. There are more than 1000 signatures for the previous petition, including Vint on behalf of Google. The new one should be even louder - and involve the press.
>
> B.
>
> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Lee W McKnight<lmcknigh at syr.edu<mailto:lmcknigh at syr.edu>> wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Don't pull plug.
>
> If you or Izumi get one more chance to be heard: say IGC will not participate on currently proposed basis, but governments of course are welcome to talk to themselves whenever they wish.
>
> Or, they can contribute to separate instant virtual MSH wg igc will set up on igf improvements...by Monday ; )
>
> Right Jeremy you're not busy this weekend?
>
> Or, they can agree to chair's 'compromise' with bertrand's finetuning.
>
> And, say their shouting will make the media stories about this more lively.
>
> Lee
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: governance-request at lists.cpsr.org<mailto:governance-request at lists.cpsr.org> [governance-request at lists.cpsr.org<mailto:governance-request at lists.cpsr.org>] On Behalf Of William Drake [william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch<mailto:william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch>]
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 1:04 PM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org<mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org>; Izumi AIZU
> Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org<mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org>; Michael Gurstein; Roland Perry
> Subject: Re: [governance] Round III - 15 from non-gov stakeholders 5+5+5
>
> Nongovernmental views "shall be taken into consideration" by the WG.
>
> Izumi raised a concern about CS treatment and was almost shouted down by Egypt. US expressed strong concern about CS being dealt with badly.
>
> The screen with the text just rolled up, so we can't see it.
>
> Markus had left. People shouting at the chair
>
> EU is now finally asking to drop the rules of procedure restriction
>
> Maybe time to pull the plug on this
>
> Bill
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Dec 17, 2010, at 18:53, Izumi AIZU<aizu at anr.org<mailto:aizu at anr.org>> wrote:
>
>> There have been no network connection in the past 20 minutes or so.
>>
>> izumi
>>
>> 2010/12/18 Michael Gurstein<gurstein at gmail.com<mailto:gurstein at gmail.com>>:
>>> I have a feeling that in this instance at least "the medium is the
>>> message"...
>>>
>>> M
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>>> at
>>> 00:13:22 on Sat, 18 Dec 2010, Izumi AIZU<aizu at anr.org<mailto:aizu at anr.org>> writes
>>>
>>>> I don't think They will reach agreement by end of today in 20 minutes.
>>> So the whole day has been used up discussing process, and no progress on
>>> the substantive issues (how to improve the IGF)?
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