[governance] Round III - 15 from non-gov stakeholders 5+5+5
Sivasubramanian M
isolatedn at gmail.com
Fri Dec 17 14:56:55 EST 2010
Dear Bertrand,
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Bertrand de La Chapelle <
bdelachapelle at gmail.com> wrote:
> Respectfully disagree, Lee.
>
> Let's see the end of it today and then, depending on the final outcome
> (that does not look good), seriously consider boycott.
>
> M. Sha, in the consultations on enhanced cooperation, repeatedly used the
> exact wording of the CSTD/ECOSOC/UNGA resolution to hammer that the question
> of the relationship between IGF and enhanced cooperation (separate but
> complementary) had been finally set and that we should all stick with the
> letter of this resolution.
>
> Why should it be the case for that statement and not for the very clear
> paragraph regarding the group to be set up BY THE CHAIR of the CSTD ?
>
> How can a whole day of discussion have revolved around the interpretation
> of an absolutely straightforward wording ?
>
Some Governments, (including the ones who are known to have relatively high
respect for the Civil Society) appear to be strongly inclined to steer
Internet Governance away from the multi-stakeholder principle. The
non-conformist Internet did not suit these Governments and Wikileaks has
scared many Governments so much so that some of these Governments are
determined to assert an assumed right to take an upper hand in Internet
Governance. With such a mindset, the policy making process is bound to get
distorted and is bound to become unfair. Civil Society is being brushed
aside.
This is very good time for Governments to alter the process of Internet
Governance. After the first five years this is a transition phase; The
Chair of the IGF has served a 5 year term. Markus Kummer has decided not to
seek an extended period of service. The possibility of a new IGF
Administration with new people should also be a serious cause for concern.
We need to do work on this in several ways NOW to ensure that the mutli
stakeholder principle prevails. To ensure enhanced co-operation, all
non-Governmental stakeholders groups have to enhance co-operation within.
And do a lot more work than draft letters of protest or sign petitions. As
you have suggested, we need to get the press to support multi-stakeholder
Governance and we will also have to work on getting the good people in good
governments to get more people from more governments to endorse the
multi-stakeholder principle.
Sivasubramanian M
>
> Bottom line : a group composed only of governmental representatives (and
> hopefully without the governments that oppose the current "consensus") would
> be, purely and simply illegitimate.
>
> Official protest necessary if it goes that way. There are more than 1000
> signatures for the previous petition, including Vint on behalf of Google.
> The new one should be even louder - and involve the press.
>
> B.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Lee W McKnight <lmcknigh at syr.edu> wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> Don't pull plug.
>>
>> If you or Izumi get one more chance to be heard: say IGC will not
>> participate on currently proposed basis, but governments of course are
>> welcome to talk to themselves whenever they wish.
>>
>> Or, they can contribute to separate instant virtual MSH wg igc will set up
>> on igf improvements...by Monday ; )
>>
>> Right Jeremy you're not busy this weekend?
>>
>> Or, they can agree to chair's 'compromise' with bertrand's finetuning.
>>
>> And, say their shouting will make the media stories about this more
>> lively.
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: governance-request at lists.cpsr.org [
>> governance-request at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of William Drake [
>> william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch]
>> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 1:04 PM
>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Izumi AIZU
>> Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Michael Gurstein; Roland Perry
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Round III - 15 from non-gov stakeholders 5+5+5
>>
>> Nongovernmental views "shall be taken into consideration" by the WG.
>>
>> Izumi raised a concern about CS treatment and was almost shouted down by
>> Egypt. US expressed strong concern about CS being dealt with badly.
>>
>> The screen with the text just rolled up, so we can't see it.
>>
>> Markus had left. People shouting at the chair
>>
>> EU is now finally asking to drop the rules of procedure restriction
>>
>> Maybe time to pull the plug on this
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2010, at 18:53, Izumi AIZU <aizu at anr.org> wrote:
>>
>> > There have been no network connection in the past 20 minutes or so.
>> >
>> > izumi
>> >
>> > 2010/12/18 Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>:
>> >> I have a feeling that in this instance at least "the medium is the
>> >> message"...
>> >>
>> >> M
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: governance-request at lists.cpsr.org
>> >> [mailto:governance-request at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Roland Perry
>> >> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 7:37 AM
>> >> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>> >> Subject: Re: [governance] Round III - 15 from non-gov stakeholders
>> 5+5+5
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In message <AANLkTi=
>> BB_N9arPOnVnUQNs0hxyVGXNje+bM0vvuforw at mail.gmail.com<BB_N9arPOnVnUQNs0hxyVGXNje%2BbM0vvuforw at mail.gmail.com>
>> >,
>> >> at
>> >> 00:13:22 on Sat, 18 Dec 2010, Izumi AIZU <aizu at anr.org> writes
>> >>
>> >>> I don't think They will reach agreement by end of today in 20 minutes.
>> >>
>> >> So the whole day has been used up discussing process, and no progress
>> on
>> >> the substantive issues (how to improve the IGF)?
>> >> --
>> >> Roland Perry
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