[governance] Round III - 15 from non-gov stakeholders 5+5+5
Marilia Maciel
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Fri Dec 17 15:22:17 EST 2010
I understand that the meeting must have ended abruptely... But please let us
know how it ended when you can.
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>wrote:
> Dear Bertrand,
>
> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Bertrand de La Chapelle <
> bdelachapelle at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Respectfully disagree, Lee.
>>
>> Let's see the end of it today and then, depending on the final outcome
>> (that does not look good), seriously consider boycott.
>>
>> M. Sha, in the consultations on enhanced cooperation, repeatedly used the
>> exact wording of the CSTD/ECOSOC/UNGA resolution to hammer that the question
>> of the relationship between IGF and enhanced cooperation (separate but
>> complementary) had been finally set and that we should all stick with the
>> letter of this resolution.
>>
>> Why should it be the case for that statement and not for the very clear
>> paragraph regarding the group to be set up BY THE CHAIR of the CSTD ?
>>
>> How can a whole day of discussion have revolved around the interpretation
>> of an absolutely straightforward wording ?
>>
>
> Some Governments, (including the ones who are known to have relatively high
> respect for the Civil Society) appear to be strongly inclined to steer
> Internet Governance away from the multi-stakeholder principle. The
> non-conformist Internet did not suit these Governments and Wikileaks has
> scared many Governments so much so that some of these Governments are
> determined to assert an assumed right to take an upper hand in Internet
> Governance. With such a mindset, the policy making process is bound to get
> distorted and is bound to become unfair. Civil Society is being brushed
> aside.
>
> This is very good time for Governments to alter the process of Internet
> Governance. After the first five years this is a transition phase; The
> Chair of the IGF has served a 5 year term. Markus Kummer has decided not to
> seek an extended period of service. The possibility of a new IGF
> Administration with new people should also be a serious cause for concern.
>
> We need to do work on this in several ways NOW to ensure that the mutli
> stakeholder principle prevails. To ensure enhanced co-operation, all
> non-Governmental stakeholders groups have to enhance co-operation within.
> And do a lot more work than draft letters of protest or sign petitions. As
> you have suggested, we need to get the press to support multi-stakeholder
> Governance and we will also have to work on getting the good people in good
> governments to get more people from more governments to endorse the
> multi-stakeholder principle.
>
> Sivasubramanian M
>
>
>>
>> Bottom line : a group composed only of governmental representatives (and
>> hopefully without the governments that oppose the current "consensus") would
>> be, purely and simply illegitimate.
>>
>> Official protest necessary if it goes that way. There are more than 1000
>> signatures for the previous petition, including Vint on behalf of Google.
>> The new one should be even louder - and involve the press.
>>
>> B.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Lee W McKnight <lmcknigh at syr.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> Don't pull plug.
>>>
>>> If you or Izumi get one more chance to be heard: say IGC will not
>>> participate on currently proposed basis, but governments of course are
>>> welcome to talk to themselves whenever they wish.
>>>
>>> Or, they can contribute to separate instant virtual MSH wg igc will set
>>> up on igf improvements...by Monday ; )
>>>
>>> Right Jeremy you're not busy this weekend?
>>>
>>> Or, they can agree to chair's 'compromise' with bertrand's finetuning.
>>>
>>> And, say their shouting will make the media stories about this more
>>> lively.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: governance-request at lists.cpsr.org [
>>> governance-request at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of William Drake [
>>> william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch]
>>> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 1:04 PM
>>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Izumi AIZU
>>> Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Michael Gurstein; Roland Perry
>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Round III - 15 from non-gov stakeholders 5+5+5
>>>
>>> Nongovernmental views "shall be taken into consideration" by the WG.
>>>
>>> Izumi raised a concern about CS treatment and was almost shouted down by
>>> Egypt. US expressed strong concern about CS being dealt with badly.
>>>
>>> The screen with the text just rolled up, so we can't see it.
>>>
>>> Markus had left. People shouting at the chair
>>>
>>> EU is now finally asking to drop the rules of procedure restriction
>>>
>>> Maybe time to pull the plug on this
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2010, at 18:53, Izumi AIZU <aizu at anr.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > There have been no network connection in the past 20 minutes or so.
>>> >
>>> > izumi
>>> >
>>> > 2010/12/18 Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>:
>>> >> I have a feeling that in this instance at least "the medium is the
>>> >> message"...
>>> >>
>>> >> M
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: governance-request at lists.cpsr.org
>>> >> [mailto:governance-request at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Roland Perry
>>> >> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 7:37 AM
>>> >> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>>> >> Subject: Re: [governance] Round III - 15 from non-gov stakeholders
>>> 5+5+5
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> In message <AANLkTi=
>>> BB_N9arPOnVnUQNs0hxyVGXNje+bM0vvuforw at mail.gmail.com<BB_N9arPOnVnUQNs0hxyVGXNje%2BbM0vvuforw at mail.gmail.com>
>>> >,
>>> >> at
>>> >> 00:13:22 on Sat, 18 Dec 2010, Izumi AIZU <aizu at anr.org> writes
>>> >>
>>> >>> I don't think They will reach agreement by end of today in 20
>>> minutes.
>>> >>
>>> >> So the whole day has been used up discussing process, and no progress
>>> on
>>> >> the substantive issues (how to improve the IGF)?
>>> >> --
>>> >> Roland Perry
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>>> >
>>> > --
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>> "Le plus beau métier des hommes, c'est d'unir les hommes" Antoine de Saint
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