[governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) similar to other Latin ccTLDs?

Edmon mail at edmon.asia
Sat Dec 4 07:45:18 EST 2010 

Hi Tina,
You mean this is not ICANN staff decision?... the requirement for confidentiality that you mentioned was a process based on the IDNC report developed by the ICANN community and the implementation plan thereupon developed by ICANN staff...
I do remember discussing precisely this issue at the IDNC (Fast Track) WG and the policy (for confidentiality) eventually set was influenced strongly by participants from the ccNSO and GAC communities.  It was an ICANN decision in some way to not have the information public...

Not meaning to nit-pick on Tina's words (ICANN staff/community), but trying to illustrate a point for why we want more participation earlier on in ICANN policy development/decision processes :-)

Very much agree with Paul's earlier point about it being more widespread for and having implications on new gTLDs (including IDN gTLDs)... so this is definitely an issue worth following through... now.  Also, since the Fast Track is an ongoing process and is under review, it is not untimely to bring it up I think...

Edmon



> -----Original Message-----
> From: governance-request at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance-
> request at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Tina Dam
> Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2010 6:01 PM
> To: Petko Kolev
> Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Subject: RE: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) similar to other Latin
> ccTLDs?
> 
> Hi Petko, I am sorry if I have missed an email from you - it may have been due to my
> vacation the last couple of days (am still catching up).
> 
> It is not an ICANN decision to make anything about an IDN ccTLD application
> public. Contrary, according to the process, we need to keep it confidential. So this
> will be a decision by the applicant.
> 
> Tina
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Petko Kolev [mailto:petko.kolev49 at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 12:34 AM
> > To: Tina Dam
> > Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> > Subject: Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg)
> > similar to other Latin ccTLDs?
> >
> > Hi Tina,
> >
> > You didn`t respond to my email, so I`m asking you publicly - could you
> > give me a permission to make public the DNS Stability report of the
> > rejection of the Bulgarian application? As I told you, by Bulgarian
> > law its public.
> >
> > Yours,
> > Petko
> >
> > Bulgarian IT Users Group
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 3:42 AM, Tina Dam <tina.dam at icann.org> wrote:
> > > Hi All, I'm stepping into this conversation a bit late perhaps, but
> > have been out of Internet connectivity the last few days.
> > >
> > > In any event, I hope some general information will help the
> > discussion. The Fast Track Process is a limited process set up for the
> > initial implementations of IDN ccTLDs. It was a factor in the community
> > development of the process that there should be no reconsideration
> > process included specific to the Fast Track process because it was a
> > limited approach to only those requests where no dispute, questions, or
> > otherwise concerns existed.
> > >
> > > Now, the process is a year old, and hence we are conducting a review
> > of how well it functions and if any changes should be made. There is a
> > public forum online and also a session scheduled in Cartagena. We will
> > discuss all aspects of the process there - see:
> > http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-22oct10-en.htm
> > >
> > > On the specific requests from Bulgaria, as discussed in these emails,
> > part of the Fast Track process prevents me from discussing that
> > specifically, as staff is not allowed to discuss such details publicly.
> > I hope most applicants will appreciate that fact.
> > >
> > > Finally, to note that a long-term policy for IDN ccTLDs (i.e. not the
> > limited initial and more careful approach) is under development in the
> > ccNSO.
> > >
> > > Tina
> > >
> > >
> > > Tina Dam
> > > Senior Director IDNs
> > >
> > > Mobile: +1-310-862-2026
> > > Voice: +1-310-301-5838
> > > ICANN | 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 | Marina del Rey, CA 90292
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: governance-request at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance-
> > >> request at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Petko Kolev
> > >> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 6:56 AM
> > >> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Paul Wilson
> > >> Subject: Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg)
> > >> similar to other Latin ccTLDs?
> > >>
> > >> Dear All,
> > >>
> > >> I wish to add this to the discussion - think its important:
> > >>
> > >> http://domainincite.com/bulgarians-step-up-icann-protest/ (from
> > today)
> > >>
> > >> Yours,
> > >> Petko
> > >>
> > >> Bulgarian IT Users Group
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Paul Wilson <pwilson at apnic.net>
> > wrote:
> > >> > In this whole discussion it is worth remembering that confusion of
> > >> domain
> > >> > names is as old as the DNS itself, and has driven typo-squatting
> > and
> > >> other
> > >> > forms of "confusingly similar" domain name registration since well
> > >> before
> > >> > IDNs and new TLDs were on the public agenda.
> > >> >
> > >> > The solution, also an old one, is website certification which
> > helps a
> > >> domain
> > >> > name user trust that a given website/domainname is run by the
> > right
> > >> people.
> > >> >  The use of "extended validation certificates", and browser
> > >> enhancements
> > >> > which make friendly use of that information, is all part of
> > ensuring
> > >> that
> > >> > users are safe(r) from the sort of fraud which relies on name
> > >> confusion.
> > >> >
> > >> > With new gTLDs and IDN, the problem is no different; it will be
> > more
> > >> > widespread, but that can be weighed against a fairly popular view
> > >> [sic] that
> > >> > new TLDs actually have some value in their own right...
> > >> >
> > >> > Speaking for myself only.
> > >> >
> > >> > Paul.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --On 1 December 2010 11:47:14 AM +0100 "Pouzin (well)"
> > >> <pouzin at well.com>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> In my organization (EUROLINC), we believe that .бг is a perfectly
> > >> >> legitimate cyrillic cctld.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> ICANN position is just a cat and mouse game for asserting their
> > >> >> illegitimate "power". More than a dozen pure latin cctld are
> > already
> > >> >> totally confusing by their own rules. If they can't tell b from
> > б,
> > >> or 3
> > >> >> from 8, they should get better glasses or font sets.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> __________________________________________________________________
> _____
> > >> _
> > >> > Paul Wilson, Director-General, APNIC
> > >>  <dg at apnic.net>
> > >> > http://www.apnic.net                                     +61 7
> > 3858
> > >> 3100
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