[governance] multistakeholderism

[Avri Doria]

so now I am accused of advocating slavery?
and advocating the whip.

interesting argument technique.

a.



On 16 Aug 2010, at 13:33, Paul Lehto wrote:

> On 8/16/10, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On 16 Aug 2010, at 13:06, Paul Lehto wrote:
>> 
>>> P.S. Attacking the people or 'polity' as uninformed
>> 
>> i do not attack them.
>> i merely say we are responsible for outreach and capacity building.
> 
> But you then proceed to sarcastically attack their wisdom:
> 
>>> The truth is that the people know when the shoe fits,
>> 
>> yep and that is why the people always discriminate against the others.
>> 
>> - gay marriage does not fit
>> - mosques too close sacred ground do not fit
>> - equal protection for undocumented immigrant children does not fit
>> - turkish immigrants do not fit
>> - gay people do not fit and thus merit imprisonment and execution
>> ...
>> yep, the people always know what does not fit!
> 
> Right here is why the principle that one's rights END where another's
> BEGIN is so important:  The "shoe fitting" metaphor applies with force
> when, as I've said in recent prior posts, ones own rights are
> "negatively impacted".  The correct person to judge if the shoe fits
> is the one being forced to wear the shoes - such as the Turkish
> immigrants and other examples you give.
> 
> As I said before (and it matters not whether the charge is true or
> not) the description of people or "the people" as dumb or uninformed
> is the foundation, almost the entire foundation, of all non-democratic
> or autocratic forms of government.  It is also the core of the
> stereotypes always used to justify slavery, for that matter.  Dumb,
> ignorant, lazy, etc., and "therefore needs a smart master with a whip
> to be productive."
> 
> Paul Lehto, J.D.
> P.S. My personal view on "uninformed" allegations is that people rise
> to the occasion when they are BOTH of the belief that their one vote
> won't be ignored AND they can find or are given a fair mix of
> information and a sense of the importance of the issue.  Notice that
> these conditions are not usually met and, more sadly, there's few or
> no attempts by governments i'm familiar with to meet the conditions.
> 
> -- 
> Paul R Lehto, J.D.
> P.O. Box 1
> Ishpeming, MI  49849
> lehto.paul at gmail.com
> 906-204-2334

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