[governance] Halal Search Engine

[Sivasubramanian Muthusamy]

Sent again with a correction and apologies:

Last paragraph:

if an imaginary entity were to establish a web-space by asserting its right
to freedom of association and freedom of expression, and then influences (if
not prohibit) its members
that they ought not to have
the freeedom of association with any other community with an opposing or
different ideology, would you still consider
the right to freedom of the freedom-restricting entity valid?


On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <
isolatedn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Milton
>
> One of the reasons why I feel that the "rights-based approach" to Internet
> Governance is not a good idea...
>
> >The right to establish customised and special applications for your own
> idiosyncratic community is as inviolable as (indeed, part of) the right to
> freedom of association and freedom of expression.
>
> Wouldn't that be a paradox to apply the "right to freedom of assoication"
> to a community if it were to deny within its community the same right to
> freedom of association to its members? Or deny the freedom of expression if
> any of the community's members were to say anything good or positive about
> other communities or beliefs?
>
> I am not jumping into a conclusion that the halal search engine would have
> such an attitude. But if an imaginary entity were to establish a web-space
> by asserting its right to freedom of association and freedom of expression,
> and then influences (if not prohibit) its members the freeedom of
> association with any other community with an opposing or different ideology,
> would you still consider the right to the freedom-restricting entity's right
> to freedom valid?
>
> Thankyou
> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>
>>  There are millions of "closed communities" on the Internet. The right to
>> establish customised and special applications for your own idiosyncratic
>> community is as inviolable as (indeed, part of) the right to freedom of
>> association and freedom of expression.
>>
>>
>> Milton Mueller
>> Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies
>> XS4All Professor, Delft University of Technology
>> ------------------------------
>> Internet Governance Project:
>> http://internetgovernance.org
>>
>>
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>> *From:* Sivasubramanian Muthusamy [mailto:isolatedn at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 04, 2009 2:08 PM
>> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; Meryem Marzouki
>> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Halal Search Engine
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> It is not amusing. This could inspire other religious groups to start
>> Kosher search engines, satvic search engines ?? Such divisions could create
>> closed Internet communities.
>>
>> Usually, Internet communities are specialized groups that do not restrain
>> or prohibit the members of the community from being a part of any other
>> community; religious communities with a restrained attitude could emerge to
>> be communities that restrain or influence (if not prohibit) its members from
>> being a part of other communities.
>>
>> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Meryem Marzouki <marzouki at ras.eu.org>wrote:
>>
>>> Very funny indeed. I'm eagerly waiting for the www.iamharam.com search
>>> engine (the domain name is still free BTW). But after all, simply a
>>> targetted form of blocking: isn't blocking all about "unethical" websites,
>>> whatever the "ethic" reference?
>>> But what is *really* clever with this is the possibilities
>>> of really well targeted advertisement.
>>>
>>>  Le 4 sept. 09 à 10:26, Shahzad Ahmad a écrit :
>>>
>>>    Dear Colleagues,
>>>
>>> Do you know something about this "HALAL" Search Engine...
>>> www.iamhalal.com
>>>
>>> It seems that now cyberspace is heading towards religious divisions
>>> also... This search engine only wants to focus Muslim Internet Users.
>>> Couldn't figure out that who is behind it?
>>>
>>>
>>> They claim to be blocking ALL "unethical" websites... I reckon a new
>>> interesting form of blocking..isn't it? I also feel that this search engine
>>> wants to develop their business "using" religion :)
>>>
>>> It is very funny... they have somehow arranged 3 levels of searches being
>>> Haram... Don't know the logic behind it though as how they decided these
>>> levels. Level 3 is the serach at top most level... which they think is
>>> really really haram.
>>>
>>> For example, put "Sex" in the search area, it is haram at level 3 (BTW
>>> how "sex" can be haram ;)). If you search "Penis", it is at Level 2 of being
>>> haram and "Breasts" are also at level 2 ;))) See for yourself, am not
>>> attaching the screen shots :)
>>>
>>> Would really love to hear your thoughts on this... particularly, if
>>> someone know that how will it work...and who is behind it?
>>>
>>> best wishes
>>> Shahzad
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