Sent again with a correction and apologies: <br><br>Last paragraph:<br><br>if an imaginary entity were to establish a web-space by asserting its
right to freedom of association and freedom of expression, and then
influences (if not prohibit) its members<br>that they ought not to have <br>the freeedom of association
with any other community with an opposing or different ideology, would
you still consider <br>the right to freedom of the freedom-restricting entity valid?<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hello Milton<br><br>One of the reasons why I feel that the "rights-based approach" to Internet Governance is not a good idea...<div class="im"><br><br><span><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial">
>The right to establish customised and special applications for your own
idiosyncratic community is as inviolable as (indeed, part of) the right to
freedom of association and freedom of expression.</font></span><br><br></div>Wouldn't that be a paradox to apply the "right to freedom of assoication" to a community if it were to deny within its community the same right to freedom of association to its members? Or deny the freedom of expression if any of the community's members were to say anything good or positive about other communities or beliefs? <br>
<br>I am not jumping into a conclusion that the halal search engine would have such an attitude. But if an imaginary entity were to establish a web-space by asserting its right to freedom of association and freedom of expression, and then influences (if not prohibit) its members the freeedom of association with any other community with an opposing or different ideology, would you still consider the right to the freedom-restricting entity's right to freedom valid?<br>
<br>Thankyou<br><font color="#888888">Sivasubramanian Muthusamy</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Milton L Mueller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial">There are millions of "closed communities" on the Internet.
The right to establish customised and special applications for your own
idiosyncratic community is as inviolable as (indeed, part of) the right to
freedom of association and freedom of expression. </font></span></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<p><font size="2">Milton Mueller<br>Professor, Syracuse University School of
Information Studies<br>XS4All Professor, Delft University of
Technology<br>------------------------------<br>Internet Governance
Project:<br><a href="http://internetgovernance.org/" target="_blank">http://internetgovernance.org</a><br></font></p>
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<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
[mailto:<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com" target="_blank">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 04, 2009 2:08
PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; Meryem Marzouki<br><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [governance] Halal Search Engine<br></font><br></div><div><div></div><div>
<div></div>Hello,<br><br>It is not amusing. This could inspire other religious
groups to start Kosher search engines, satvic search engines ?? Such divisions
could create closed Internet communities. <br><br>Usually, Internet
communities are specialized groups that do not restrain or prohibit the
members of the community from being a part of any other community; religious
communities with a restrained attitude could emerge to be communities that
restrain or influence (if not prohibit) its members from being a part of other
communities.<br><br>Sivasubramanian Muthusamy<br><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Meryem Marzouki <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marzouki@ras.eu.org" target="_blank">marzouki@ras.eu.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div style="word-wrap: break-word;">Very funny indeed. I'm eagerly waiting
for the <a href="http://www.iamharam.com" target="_blank">www.iamharam.com</a>
search engine (the domain name is still free BTW).
<div>But after all, simply a targetted form of blocking: isn't blocking all
about "unethical" websites, whatever the "ethic" reference?</div>
<div>But what is *really* clever with this is the possibilities
of really well targeted advertisement. </div>
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<div>Le 4 sept. 09 à 10:26, Shahzad Ahmad a écrit :</div><br>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Dear Colleagues,</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span> </div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Do you know something about this "HALAL" Search
Engine... <span> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';"><a href="http://www.iamhalal.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue;">www.iamhalal.com</span></a><br>
<br></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">It seems that now cyberspace is heading towards
religious divisions also... This search engine only wants to focus Muslim
Internet Users. Couldn't figure out that who is behind it?</span></div>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span> </p>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">They claim to be blocking ALL "unethical"
websites... I reckon a new interesting form of blocking..isn't
it? I also feel that this search engine wants to develop their
business "using" religion :)</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span> </div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">It is very funny... they have somehow arranged 3
levels of searches being Haram... Don't know the logic behind it though as
how they decided these levels. Level 3 is the serach at top most
level... which they think is really really haram.</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span> </div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">For example, put "Sex" in the search area, it is
haram at level 3 (BTW how "sex" can be haram ;)). If you search "Penis",
it is at Level 2 of being haram and "Breasts" are also at level 2 ;))) See
for yourself, am not attaching the screen shots :)</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span> </div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Would really love to hear your thoughts on this...
particularly, if someone know that how will it work...and who is behind
it?</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span> </div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">best wishes</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Shahzad</span></div></font></div></div></div>
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