[governance] What IGF is for? ONI Asia event rattled by UN

Sun Nov 15 13:02:49 EST 2009

Awesome dude  --  regardless of content, I salute you. Pushing forward. All the hallowed halls and all the list rules and all the self promotion and grandiosity are paled by your fortitude. I threw at you a challenge and you have arizen. It is not words that fill the sails of good people on their journey in uncharted territory it is action and leadership. Stand tall, stand proud and most of all, stand for all those who cannot.

Please keep us keenly and publicly aware of your movements and activities. Through time we have found that day light and transparency will prohibit the strongest of vermon from acting or growing.  No matter the perfection of your rights in this matter.  The bringing to the forum questionable activity will make others, or the same, think twice about taking steps further to quelch and censor good honest discussion. 

Respectful Human Interface is not so much the challenge of political correctness or systems and telesystems management as it is the protection of honesty and stating one's opinion honestly is the very core veracity and the freedom of press and speech.

Namaste

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Shahzad Ahmad <shahzad at bytesforall.net> wrote:

From: Shahzad Ahmad <shahzad at bytesforall.net>
Subject: Re: [governance] What IGF is for? ONI Asia event rattled by UN
To: "Eric Dierker" <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>, governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Hempal Shrestha" <hempalshrestha at gmail.com>
Cc: "Ginger Paque" <gpaque at gmail.com>, "Jeremy Malcolm" <jeremy at ciroap.org>, "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 5:34 PM

Dear Eric and colleagues,

Following links host the video evidence of what happened there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-kxYt2LwKc

and

http://www.youtube.com/user/fikratube#p/a/u/0/axMpYddEomc

You may also like to take a look at this:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/y9y3mua

Will get the jpeg of poster and post it here though I don't know if list allows the attachments.

best wishes and regards

Shahzad

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Eric Dierker 
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org ; Hempal Shrestha ; Shahzad Ahmad 
Cc: Ginger Paque ; Jeremy Malcolm ; McTim 
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [governance] What IGF is for? ONI Asia event rattled by UN

Perhaps before you jump on such a bandwagon you should get the recording of the event. You should get more than one person (witnesses) account. Security anywhere is not prone to throw things on the floor. Why is no copy of the poster posted?

It is not that I am skeptical of being used by Harvard and Oxford publicists in order to get the word out or publish a paper or sell a book. Keep in mind the ONI group is not representative of the persons supposedly being wrongfully censored/filtered.  In fact I see no Tibetan or Chinese component to this Academic gathering of western intelligencia. Advocacy is touted on the website but I see no constituent that they are advocating for.

In fact I believe there is a UN policy against advertising for the sale of a commodity, service or goods at the events.  A poster promoting a book would be in violation of a very good rule.

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Hempal Shrestha <hempalshrestha at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Hempal Shrestha <hempalshrestha at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [governance] What IGF is for? ONI Asia event rattled by UN
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Shahzad Ahmad" <shahzad at bytesforall.net>
Cc: "Ginger Paque" <gpaque at gmail.com>, "Jeremy Malcolm" <jeremy at ciroap.org>, "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 4:21 PM

Dear Shahzad and friends in ONI, 

It indeed is an act of great concern on the commitment of the freedom of expression. We stand united against this incident. Further, this should not create an opportunity for others to hurt the good work that is happening at IGF. So, +1 for the idea of registering the concern about the incident with concerned stakeholders/authority.   

In Solidarity.

Hempal Shrestha

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Shahzad Ahmad <shahzad at bytesforall.net> wrote:

Dear Colleagues,

Did discuss this with quite a few friends here and most of them agree for a joint action. How and what I don't know but probably civil society representatives speaking on the plenary can mention this appalling event and register the concern. Just a suggestion and then I will really suggest MAG members to take this up with IGF.

But I would really urged on the caucus members attending IGF to take this up strongly otherwise, such things will keep happening more and more in future too. 

best wishes
Shahzad

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ginger Paque 
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org ; Jeremy Malcolm 
Cc: McTim 
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [governance] What IGF is for? ONI Asia event rattled by UN

I do not think a boycott is the answer. It removes the people who most object to the action... I think an effort should be made to bring this up as an issue. Can the IGC coordinate on this?

Jeremy Malcolm wrote: 
On 15/11/2009, at 4:02 PM, McTim wrote: 

Shahzad, 

Truly outrageous, your group should really complain to Markus and get 
your books back immediately, with an apology. 

I think this shows how misguided it is to have gov'ts play an 
increasingly large role in IG. 

+1 

Am I overreacting, or should those who do not have workshop commitments organise a boycott of the IGF tomorrow, and let the Secretariat know why? 

In any case, I hope as many people will tweet and blog about this appalling action. 

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