<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Awesome dude -- regardless of content, I salute you. Pushing forward. All the hallowed halls and all the list rules and all the self promotion and grandiosity are paled by your fortitude. I threw at you a challenge and you have arizen. It is not words that fill the sails of good people on their journey in uncharted territory it is action and leadership. Stand tall, stand proud and most of all, stand for all those who cannot.</DIV>
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<DIV>Please keep us keenly and publicly aware of your movements and activities. Through time we have found that day light and transparency will prohibit the strongest of vermon from acting or growing. No matter the perfection of your rights in this matter. The bringing to the forum questionable activity will make others, or the same, think twice about taking steps further to quelch and censor good honest discussion. </DIV>
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<DIV>Respectful Human Interface is not so much the challenge of political correctness or systems and telesystems management as it is the protection of honesty and stating one's opinion honestly is the very core veracity and the freedom of press and speech.</DIV>
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<DIV>Namaste<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 11/15/09, Shahzad Ahmad <I><shahzad@bytesforall.net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Shahzad Ahmad <shahzad@bytesforall.net><BR>Subject: Re: [governance] What IGF is for? ONI Asia event rattled by UN<BR>To: "Eric Dierker" <cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net>, governance@lists.cpsr.org, "Hempal Shrestha" <hempalshrestha@gmail.com><BR>Cc: "Ginger Paque" <gpaque@gmail.com>, "Jeremy Malcolm" <jeremy@ciroap.org>, "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com><BR>Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 5:34 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear Eric and colleagues,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Following links host the video evidence of what happened there.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-kxYt2LwKc" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-kxYt2LwKc</A></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><A href="http://www.youtube.com/user/fikratube#p/a/u/0/axMpYddEomc" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.youtube.com/user/fikratube#p/a/u/0/axMpYddEomc</A></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You may also like to take a look at this:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A href="http://preview.tinyurl.com/y9y3mua" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://preview.tinyurl.com/y9y3mua</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Will get the jpeg of poster and post it here though I don't know if list allows the attachments.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>best wishes and regards</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Shahzad</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net">Eric Dierker</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=governance@lists.cpsr.org href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A> ; <A title=hempalshrestha@gmail.com href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hempalshrestha@gmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:hempalshrestha@gmail.com">Hempal Shrestha</A> ; <A title=shahzad@bytesforall.net href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=shahzad@bytesforall.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:shahzad@bytesforall.net">Shahzad Ahmad</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=gpaque@gmail.com href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gpaque@gmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:gpaque@gmail.com">Ginger Paque</A> ; <A title=jeremy@ciroap.org href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jeremy@ciroap.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org">Jeremy Malcolm</A> ; <A title=dogwallah@gmail.com href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dogwallah@gmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">McTim</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:35 PM</DIV>
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<DIV>Perhaps before you jump on such a bandwagon you should get the recording of the event. You should get more than one person (witnesses) account. Security anywhere is not prone to throw things on the floor. Why is no copy of the poster posted?</DIV>
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<DIV>It is not that I am skeptical of being used by Harvard and Oxford publicists in order to get the word out or publish a paper or sell a book. Keep in mind the ONI group is not representative of the persons supposedly being wrongfully censored/filtered. In fact I see no Tibetan or Chinese component to this Academic gathering of western intelligencia. Advocacy is touted on the website but I see no constituent that they are advocating for.</DIV>
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<DIV>In fact I believe there is a UN policy against advertising for the sale of a commodity, service or goods at the events. A poster promoting a book would be in violation of a very good rule.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 11/15/09, Hempal Shrestha <I><hempalshrestha@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Hempal Shrestha <hempalshrestha@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re: [governance] What IGF is for? ONI Asia event rattled by UN<BR>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, "Shahzad Ahmad" <shahzad@bytesforall.net><BR>Cc: "Ginger Paque" <gpaque@gmail.com>, "Jeremy Malcolm" <jeremy@ciroap.org>, "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com><BR>Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 4:21 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Dear Shahzad and friends in ONI, <BR><BR>It indeed is an act of great concern on the commitment of the freedom of expression. We stand united against this incident. Further, this should not create an opportunity for others to hurt the good work that is happening at IGF. So, +1 for the idea of registering the concern about the incident with concerned stakeholders/authority. <BR><BR>In Solidarity.<BR><BR>Hempal Shrestha<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Shahzad Ahmad <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=shahzad@bytesforall.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow>shahzad@bytesforall.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Did discuss this with quite a few friends here and most of them agree for a joint action. How and what I don't know but probably civil society representatives speaking on the plenary can mention this appalling event and register the concern. Just a suggestion and then I will really suggest MAG members to take this up with IGF.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But I would really urged on the caucus members attending IGF to take this up strongly otherwise, such things will keep happening more and more in future too. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>best wishes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Shahzad</FONT></DIV><FONT color=#888888></FONT>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B> <A title=governance@lists.cpsr.org href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow>governance@lists.cpsr.org</A> ; <A title=jeremy@ciroap.org href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jeremy@ciroap.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow>Jeremy Malcolm</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=dogwallah@gmail.com href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dogwallah@gmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>McTim</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 15, 2009 7:58 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=Arial>I do not think a boycott is the answer. It removes the people who most object to the action... I think an effort should be made to bring this up as an issue. Can the IGC coordinate on this?</FONT><BR><BR>Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Shahzad, <BR><BR>Truly outrageous, your group should really complain to Markus and get <BR>your books back immediately, with an apology. <BR><BR>I think this shows how misguided it is to have gov'ts play an <BR>increasingly large role in IG. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>+1 <BR><BR>Am I overreacting, or should those who do not have workshop commitments organise a boycott of the IGF tomorrow, and let the Secretariat know why? <BR><BR>In any case, I hope as many people will tweet and blog about this appalling action. <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV>
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