[governance] JPA

[Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law]

On Wed, 27 May 2009, Milton L Mueller wrote:

>
> Michael: I have to defer to you on the administrative law issues, 
> obviously. If you could tell us which "several countries" are that have 
> the strong tradition and worked out rules it would help.

I don't know enough about the world's systems to give you a list.  US and 
Canada would be on it, UK would not, is all I can really tell you.  I 
apologize for my parochialism.


>
> My primary concern is with substantive constraints on what ICANN does
jand what it cannot do. E.g., I would like to have a very clear, simple 
statement that ICANN policies can be designed to regulate freedom of 
expression concerns as expressed in Article 19, and I would also like to 
see basic trade principles (nondiscrimination especially) somehow 
incorporated. Since these constraints are Internet-specific in many ways I 
can't see tying it to national law. They need to be globally applicable 
and their relevance to the specifics of Internet governance clear.
>

I didn't follow that.  If you have rules tied to a national law with good 
human rights, protection for freedom of speech (I hope you meant "Icann 
policies can NOT be designed to regulate freedom of expression"???) that 
flows right in.  There's little that is internet-specific about freedom 
and non-discrimination.


>
> Milton Mueller
> Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies
> XS4All Professor, Delft University of Technology
> ------------------------------
> Internet Governance Project:
> http://internetgovernance.org
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law
>> [mailto:froomkin at law.miami.edu]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:52 AM
>> To: 'governance at lists.cpsr.org'; Milton L Mueller
>> Subject: RE: [governance] JPA
>>
>> This is why tying to a nation's law (as opposed to
>> 'international law') of
>> administrative makes sense: it's at the national level that
>> we have well
>> worked-out ideas of due process and basic rights to be heard.
>>
>> International law, which is still primarily about states and
>> international
>> organizations, does not have a body of jurisprudence that
>> speaks to those
>> issues.
>>
>> The US APA is one model; Canada has a different on.  The UK's
>> model of
>> administrative review, on the other hand, is relatively feeble.
>>
>> Several countries have a strong tradition, and well worked-out rules,
>> about procedural regularity, that is rules which police fairness,
>> conflicts of interest, the right to be heard, without being too
>> heavy-handed in their substantive review.  Those are good
>> models, they
>> took decades to develop, and one should be adopted rather
>> than reinvented
>> from the ground up.
>>
>> On Wed, 27 May 2009, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>>
>>>>  I also think that suggesting an 'international judidical body'  
>>>>  for adjudication CIR/ related IG issues as a more urgent step  
>>>>  would be useful, since a full treaty process could take long  
>>>>  time. The model and legal basis for such a judicial or quasi- 
>>>>  judicial body can be discussed. ,  
>>>  
>>> Same issue as my last message.
>>> What rules/law does this quasi-judicial body apply? Without
>> that, it's useless second-guess or a
>>> dangerous political bypass mechanism.
>>> We've tried to skip that stage for 10- years and it hasn't
>> worked. Let's get down to it.  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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