[governance] EU and net neutrality

[Milton L Mueller]

a good example of why we need to be careful about employees of players with economic interests joining constituencies as "individuals" representing themselves. 

Milton Mueller
Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies
XS4All Professor, Delft University of Technology
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jlfullsack [mailto:jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr] 
> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 2:47 AM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Subject: [governance] EU and net neutrality
> 
> hi all
> 
> Please find attached a document showing AT&T's influence in 
> the wording of 
> the coming EU telecoms Directive, particularly as regards net 
> neutrality
> 
> Best greetings
> 
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>; "Milton L Mueller" <mueller at syr.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [governance] Call for Action: Your comments can Support
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Milton,
> 
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Milton L Mueller 
> <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
> >
> > ________________________________________
> >>So what you are saying is that no person who works at an ISP is
> >>eligible for membership at all? As we both know, that 
> constituency is
> >>not very active.
> >
> > There is an ISP constituency in the commercial users 
> stakeholder group.
> > Insofar as ISPs are registrars and suppliers of domain name 
> services they 
> > would also be eligible for the registrar constituency.
> > It's clear where they belong in the GNSO and it is not a 
> Noncommercial 
> > Stakeholders Group.
> 
> yes, ISPs as ISPs. How about staff of ISPs acting in their capacity as
> individuals? Their interests may or may not be represented by the
> company they work for.
> 
> >
> >>ISP staff are the most active in the RIR communities that 
> make up the
> >>ASO, so I would suggest that ISPs "live" in ICANN in the 
> ASO more than
> >>the ISP constituency.
> >
> > True.
> >
> >>I am fully aware of this. I just don't see why this 
> excludes staff of
> >>an RIR, since they don't make policy, the community of the RIR does
> >>that.
> >
> > Anyone who has dealt with ICANN staff would have trouble 
> believing your 
> > assertion that there is some homogeneous "community" that 
> makes address 
> > policy and is miraculously uninfluenced by professional 
> staff. That being 
> > said, this is something we could revisit in the case of RIRs.
> 
> and in the case of ISOC staff? no one has addressed that question yet.
>  Can only one participate (as an organisational rep, or is that an
> "industry body"? I realise these are corner cases, but exclusion is
> exclusion.
> 
> 
> > E.g., an RIR staff member might have an interest in domain 
> name policy qua 
> > family member, public interest advocate, etc. This would 
> only become a 
> > problem if RIRs made an organized move to capture some part 
> of ICANN, 
> > which seems both unlikely and not something we have seen 
> ayn indication of 
> > in the past. ccNSO, on the other hand, directly overlaps 
> with GNSO in 
> > policy authority many times. Overall, it's a minor issue. 
> There are what, 
> > a total of 50-60 RIR staff worldwide?
> 
> more, but not significantly more.
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
> 
> McTim
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