[governance] RE: On the process of proposing workshop themes

[Sivasubramanian Muthusamy]

Hello Meryem,

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Meryem Marzouki <marzouki at ras.eu.org>wrote:

> Not sure to which extent this isn't a language problem: the sovereignty is
> not a capacity of governments, but of States, with the exclusive right to
> exercize a political authority within a given territory and on a given group
> of people.
> In any case, sovereignty shouldn't be dealt with as a 'right', at least not
> in the same way as human rights, since it defines the independence of a
> State vis a vis other States (non intervention) ...


Here  "Independance" is often misinterpreted by nationalistic myopia
possibly as:

Independance of China via a vis the rest of the world (with respect to
Internet traffic) ???
Independance of Australia or India or Canada from interference from external
content, opinions and views flowing through the Internet??


> The Internet is of course a special case, and the IGC held an interesting
> workshop at IGF 2008 on related matters ("The Transboundary Internet :
> Jurisdiction, Control and Sovereignty").


That is what needs to be exmpahized...

Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
India.

>
> Meryem
>
>
> Le 26 mars 09 à 14:47, Konstantinos Komaitis a écrit :
>
>   Governments have only one right to sovereignty – I think this is
>> important in the context of the international Internet. Perhaps a workshop
>> theme could include the governments’ sovereignty as opposed to the
>> non-sovereign state of the Internet. The case of ccTLDs could be used as a
>> good starting point for the discussion.
>>
>> Konstantinos
>>
>>
>> On 26/03/2009 13:34, "Milton L Mueller" <mueller at SYR.EDU> wrote:
>>
>> Governments do not have any "rights;" they have powers. Only people have
>>> rights. Insofar as governmental powers are justified and just, they are held
>>> and exercised to secure rights for people.
>>> Milton Mueller
>>> Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies
>>> XS4All Professor, Delft University of Technology
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Internet Governance Project:
>>> http://internetgovernance.org <http://internetgovernance.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Perhaps the workshop could address aspects related to the Rights of
>>>>  Governments, apart from focussing on the Rights of the Users?   Governments
>>>> of the world might want to argue that they have a right to demand  certain
>>>> content removed - You Tube has faced such rights based requests in the
>>>>  recent past and now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Governments would like to argue that they have a moral right to filter,
>>>>  and to censor inappropriate content ????
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What is this "rights-based values and principles for internet
>>>> governance"  any way? Define rights, principles and then enact laws
>>>> according to the agreed  values and principles ???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis,
>> Lecturer in Law,
>> GigaNet Membership Chair,
>> University of Strathclyde,
>> The Lord Hope Building,
>> 141 St. James Road,
>> Glasgow, G4 0LT,
>> UK
>> tel: +44 (0)141 548 4306
>> email: k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk
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