[governance] TR: Apologies and thanks

Sun Jun 28 11:18:39 EDT 2009

I do not want to appear rude or intrusive into this mutual admiration society, but;

Have you two stepped back and reviewed your public statements from a sociological, anthropological and governance point of view?

Have either of you read; Das Kapital*, Mien Kompf** or your respective country's declarations of independence?  Have you ever considered that wild and crazy notion -- free enterprise?
Have you ever noticed a general public disdain for gross western globalization and multinationalism?

Gentlemen I do not usually waste my time on people with no promise.  So I assume you will not take my questions as insults.  They are questions I raise because your comments seem so much like you two believe; Governance is the elite deciding what is best for the commoner.

(I use amazon here as a sort of sarcasm on popularity)

*Amazon.com: Das Kapital, Gateway Edition (Skeptical Reader Series ...

Das Kapital is essential reading for any educated person. Unfortunately, this hardcover ... Das Kapital is the anylasis of Capital and Capitalism. ...
www.amazon.com/Das-Kapital-Gateway-Skeptical-Reader/.../089526711X

**Amazon.com: Mein Kampf: Adolf Hitler, Ralph Manheim: Books

Start reading Mein Kampf on your Kindle in under a minute. .... Called everything from garbage to a Satanic Bible, Mein Kampf is the written words of one of ...
www.amazon.com/Mein-Kampf-Adolf-Hitler/dp/0395925037

--- On Sun, 6/28/09, Jean-Louis FULLSACK <jlfullsack at orange.fr> wrote:

From: Jean-Louis FULLSACK <jlfullsack at orange.fr>
Subject: Re: [governance] TR: Apologies and thanks
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 2:36 PM

Dear McTim

You wrote :
<but the PS is doing this already:
<http://www.gsmworld.com/our-work/development-fund/energy/index.htm

This is certainly a very interesting initiative but reduced to some applications in the mobile networks/systems. We need a far more extended R&D work to be carried out especialy in the integration of both ER and ICT concepts and principles for the whole spectrum of ICT/Telecom equipment. That is the fundament of my proposal.

> This is what IXen do. Once we have at least 2 cables per coast in
> Africa (and fiber backhaul to the interior) this need SHOULD become
> moot. It will, in theory, no longer matter if traffic leaves Africa,
> just as it doesn't matter if traffic from a European User transits the
> USA on it's journey to a European server (and back).

What is IXen ? 
The problem isn't "to moot" once the "two cables per coast ..." exist, BUT to avoid any cable to be laid and paid if it isn't an INTEGRATED part in an efficient target network.
In addition I'd remind you that every transport and transit has a cost ! Even transporting and changing photons in electrons and conversely ! And for Gigapackets to cross twice the Atlantic it has a price, even for (richer) Europeans. As an enginer I cannot accept such schemes based on short financial views be guidelines in network design. Especially of one keeps in mind what happened -and how many billions were spent without any further use- during the dot.com bubble. Just an example, there were at that time 23 "pan-european networks" existing in parallel and actually some of them are simply forgotten ... If we are to help Africa in its way for development we should be very careful and "technology and econoy driven" in our proposals especially as OPERATION & MAINTENANCE is the other major problem in any network, and more particularly in Africa than in the RoW. A good design for a network is this one that is resilient, survivable, upgradable,
 maintenable ... and affordable for the operators over the lifetime. 

< In Africa, most of our traffic leaves the continent, as there isn't
> the local content and applications available to keep traffic within
> the continent.

As a friend of Africa I cannot accept this statement. I hope that Africans will progressively (and at a good pace) develop THEIR own content and applications and put them as soon as possible on the "pipes" for the sake of their populations, economy and culture ! Shouldn't the CS from everywhere support strongly this hope ? 

All the best

Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT

> Message du 28/06/09 11:28
> De : "McTim" 
> A : governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Tijani BEN JEMAA" 
> Copie à : gov at wsis-gov.org
> Objet : Re: [governance] TR: Apologies and thanks
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Tijani BEN
> JEMAA wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> >
> >
> > Jean Louis asked me to forward this e-mail to the lists because he got a
> > refusal message when he tried to send it himself, perhaps because his
> > address changed from wanadoo to orange.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > De : gov-bounces at wsis-gov.org [mailto:gov-bounces at wsis-gov.org] De la part
> > de Jean-Louis FULLSACK
> > Envoyé : vendredi 26 juin 2009 14:28
> > À : governance at lists.cpsr.org; gov at wsis-gov.org
> > Objet : [Gov 687] Apologies and thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear members of the governance lists
> >
> > Fisrt of all I'd apologize for my long quasi silence on our lists,
> > especially to all those of you who sent me such numerous mails following my
> > May 22nd heart attack during the closing session of our annual WSIS Forum in
> > Geneva.
> >
> > I realized only some days later, especially through Francis Muguet's visits
> > and phone converstions, that I probably put some confusion -maybe even more-
> > among those of you attending this session and I apologize for that. I also
> > must repeat here the chance I've got for having been rescued within a couple
> > of minutes by the ITU security staff, and would recall once more that I owe
> > it to Patrick Ticon to be able to exchange ideas with each membrer and
> > friend among you today. Since then, one month has passed and that's the
> > reason for me to apologize. Probably the burden of writing in English has
> > somehow contributed to this delay ....
> >
> > So, please accept my apologies as well as my profound gratitude for your
> > friendly and supportive messages.
> >
> > I also thanked the ITU Secretary general for his visit and his kind support
> > and, over all, for the efficiency and friendlyness of the ITU security
> > staff. Having done that I didn't forget that, during the different sessions
> > of the Forum, I have asked for some actions to be given priority in the WSIS
> > follow-up. Among them, threee ones are of highest importance in my viewpoint
> > :
> > - Set-up a special Study Group dedicated to the relation and links between
> > ICTs and Renewable Energies (RE) in DCs, focussing especially on
> > photovoltaics and their integration in the design of both ICT/telecom
> > equipment and telecom networks. This study group should be given equal
> > rights to those officially established in the ITU-T and ITU-D and benefit
> > from this double umbrella.
> 
> 
> but the PS is doing this already:
> 
> http://www.gsmworld.com/our-work/development-fund/energy/index.htm
> 
> > - Carry out the study (with the ITU as leading body) and implement the
> > project of an actual African Interconnecting Network (AIN)  interlinking the
> > main continental hubs (telecom traffic and Internet traffic) and connecting
> > this AIN to the most appropriated gateways to the Global telecom
> > infrastructure (through thoroughly selected landing stations !) and in a
> > fully network centered vision.
> 
> This is what IXen do. Once we have at least 2 cables per coast in
> Africa (and fiber backhaul to the interior) this need SHOULD become
> moot. It will, in theory, no longer matter if traffic leaves Africa,
> just as it doesn't matter if traffic from a European User transits the
> USA on it's journey to a European server (and back).
> 
> 
> > - Set-up a multistakeholder based Financing Mechanisms Forum FMF), with
> > equal abilities and functions to the IGF, and therefore recognized by all
> > the partners within the WSIS follow-up process, and placed under the
> > umbrella of the UNDP and the ITU (focussing especially on financing the main
> > WSIS objectives such as the access to each village in DCs).
> >
> > In my opinion, the second point is in a large part about governance in
> > general and Internet governance in paricular, at least as far as "Internet
> > essential/critical resources" are a paramount part and objective of a AIN
> > planning process. Only such an integrated approach could be able to maintain
> > intra-African communications within the African continent and thereby
> > contribute to lower significantly their cost, i.e. the tariffs for
> > intra-African coms, whatever may be their nature.
> 
> In Africa, most of our traffic leaves the continent, as there isn't
> the local content and applications available to keep traffic within
> the continent. In other words, we don't worry so much about the cost
> of intra-African Comms, it's the rest of the world we want to get to
> cheaply!
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
> 
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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