[governance] Is ICANN listening?

Thu Jul 30 10:29:29 EDT 2009

Hi,

Once you get into legal threats, I am forced into silence.

a.

On 30 Jul 2009, at 15:45, Joe Baptista wrote:

> I completely agree with Eric. And not only are you in the wrong Avri  
> but liable for it on behalf of the GNSO and ICANN. I'm going to  
> start pressing that button soon dear. And there will be no return  
> once that happens. I've made ICANN squeal on more then one  
> occassions - must we add another dear?
>
> cheers
> joe baptista
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Lucy Lynch <llynch at civil- 
> tongue.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Eric Dierker wrote:
>
> Well that is very nice Avri.  And I agree with much of what you  
> say.  However their are two people who were regular contributors  
> suspended/censored from the list.  There are no recognized monitors  
> and the majordomo is hidden. That is all on you. YOU censored them.  
> but with nothing open and transparent.  So your talk is not  
> consistent with your actions as is the case generally with the GNSO.  
> Your governmental process is backroom and by fiat.   So you really  
> do epitomize ICANNs lack of accountability and ability to do and say  
> opposite things.
>
> Using full headers reveals:
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> so, not a majordomo list - different commands will be needed
>
> sorry for interrupting with technical info...
>
>
> --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>
>
> From: Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
> Subject: Re: [governance] Is ICANN listening?
> To: "Governance List" <governance at lists.cpsr.org>
> Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 10:44 AM
>
>
>
> On 29 Jul 2009, at 03:35, cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
> it is not up to the participants in the GA to keep it running it is  
> up to you.
>
> I take that as the responsibility to make sure the list stays up and  
> remains orderly, for some definition of orderly.
> Additionally I take it as my responsibility to read that list on a  
> regular basis.
>
> The list is up, it functions, it is moderately orderly and I read it  
> regularly.
>
>
> I do not think that responsibility extends to trying to make that  
> list anything more then a list where people who subscribe and wish  
> to comment on ICANN related issues can do so in peace. In fact,  
> without a decision of the GNSO Council approved by the ICANN Board,  
> I would see trying to change the list as out of scope for me.  That  
> is, I do not see my responsibility as being one of trying to make  
> the GA list re-evolve into anything resembling what the GA was meant  
> to be before it was decimated in the transition from DNSO to GNSO  
> without a proper policy process - too many people in ICANN already  
> usurp the right to make policy without proper process, and I am not  
> about to become one of them  If the list wants to be more then a  
> list or wants to spin off real organizations then it is the  
> responsibility of those on that list to do so, and I would not  
> hinder that effort.
>
> In a few months I will no longer be a member of the GNSO Council (I  
> can hear some people already rejoicing in the background!).  At that  
> point I will remain a member of the GA list, and at that point, if I  
> want that list to be something more then a basket for complaints  
> then it will be become my responsibility as a member of the list to  
> try and do something.  Until then, I am just one of the caretakers  
> of the GA list who keep it running and nothing more.
>
> a.
>
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