[governance] Is ICANN listening?

Thu Jul 30 13:45:51 EDT 2009

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Once you get into legal threats, I am forced into silence.

I'm not threatening you - I'm spelling out the facts. Before I would even
consider court I'll kick your ass in the best court of all time. That of
public opinion baby.

Now I am being censored and thats not nice. Reinstate me. Thats an order
baby. I was kicked off the list for exposing a bit of ICANN fraud between
the former monitor and icann staff. Fine - big deal - I got an unauthorized
vacation and you participated in an immoral act against me which very well
was libelous and slanderous. That was you call honey. Not mine :)

cheers
joe baptista

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>
> a.
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> On 30 Jul 2009, at 15:45, Joe Baptista wrote:
>
>  I completely agree with Eric. And not only are you in the wrong Avri but
>> liable for it on behalf of the GNSO and ICANN. I'm going to start pressing
>> that button soon dear. And there will be no return once that happens. I've
>> made ICANN squeal on more then one occassions - must we add another dear?
>>
>> cheers
>> joe baptista
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Lucy Lynch <llynch at civil-tongue.net>
>> wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Eric Dierker wrote:
>>
>> Well that is very nice Avri.  And I agree with much of what you say.
>>  However their are two people who were regular contributors
>> suspended/censored from the list.  There are no recognized monitors and the
>> majordomo is hidden. That is all on you. YOU censored them. but with nothing
>> open and transparent.  So your talk is not consistent with your actions as
>> is the case generally with the GNSO. Your governmental process is backroom
>> and by fiat.   So you really do epitomize ICANNs lack of accountability and
>> ability to do and say opposite things.
>>
>> Using full headers reveals:
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>> so, not a majordomo list - different commands will be needed
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>> sorry for interrupting with technical info...
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>> --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Is ICANN listening?
>> To: "Governance List" <governance at lists.cpsr.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 10:44 AM
>>
>>
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>> On 29 Jul 2009, at 03:35, cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>
>> it is not up to the participants in the GA to keep it running it is up to
>> you.
>>
>> I take that as the responsibility to make sure the list stays up and
>> remains orderly, for some definition of orderly.
>> Additionally I take it as my responsibility to read that list on a regular
>> basis.
>>
>> The list is up, it functions, it is moderately orderly and I read it
>> regularly.
>>
>>
>> I do not think that responsibility extends to trying to make that list
>> anything more then a list where people who subscribe and wish to comment on
>> ICANN related issues can do so in peace. In fact, without a decision of the
>> GNSO Council approved by the ICANN Board, I would see trying to change the
>> list as out of scope for me.  That is, I do not see my responsibility as
>> being one of trying to make the GA list re-evolve into anything resembling
>> what the GA was meant to be before it was decimated in the transition from
>> DNSO to GNSO without a proper policy process - too many people in ICANN
>> already usurp the right to make policy without proper process, and I am not
>> about to become one of them  If the list wants to be more then a list or
>> wants to spin off real organizations then it is the responsibility of those
>> on that list to do so, and I would not hinder that effort.
>>
>> In a few months I will no longer be a member of the GNSO Council (I can
>> hear some people already rejoicing in the background!).  At that point I
>> will remain a member of the GA list, and at that point, if I want that list
>> to be something more then a basket for complaints then it will be become my
>> responsibility as a member of the list to try and do something.  Until then,
>> I am just one of the caretakers of the GA list who keep it running and
>> nothing more.
>>
>> a.
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