[governance] Is ICANN listening?

[Joe Baptista]

I completely agree with Eric. And not only are you in the wrong Avri but
liable for it on behalf of the GNSO and ICANN. I'm going to start pressing
that button soon dear. And there will be no return once that happens. I've
made ICANN squeal on more then one occassions - must we add another dear?

cheers
joe baptista

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Lucy Lynch <llynch at civil-tongue.net>wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Eric Dierker wrote:
>
>  Well that is very nice Avri.  And I agree with much of what you say.
>> However their are two people who were regular contributors
>> suspended/censored from the list.  There are no recognized monitors and the
>> majordomo is hidden. That is all on you. YOU censored them. but with nothing
>> open and transparent.  So your talk is not consistent with your actions as
>> is the case generally with the GNSO. Your governmental process is backroom
>> and by fiat.   So you really do epitomize ICANNs lack of accountability and
>> ability to do and say opposite things.
>>
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> Using full headers reveals:
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> so, not a majordomo list - different commands will be needed
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> sorry for interrupting with technical info...
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>  --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>
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>> From: Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Is ICANN listening?
>> To: "Governance List" <governance at lists.cpsr.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 10:44 AM
>>
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>> On 29 Jul 2009, at 03:35, cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net wrote:
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>>  it is not up to the participants in the GA to keep it running it is up to
>>> you.
>>>
>>
>> I take that as the responsibility to make sure the list stays up and
>> remains orderly, for some definition of orderly.
>> Additionally I take it as my responsibility to read that list on a regular
>> basis.
>>
>> The list is up, it functions, it is moderately orderly and I read it
>> regularly.
>>
>>
>> I do not think that responsibility extends to trying to make that list
>> anything more then a list where people who subscribe and wish to comment on
>> ICANN related issues can do so in peace. In fact, without a decision of the
>> GNSO Council approved by the ICANN Board, I would see trying to change the
>> list as out of scope for me.  That is, I do not see my responsibility as
>> being one of trying to make the GA list re-evolve into anything resembling
>> what the GA was meant to be before it was decimated in the transition from
>> DNSO to GNSO without a proper policy process - too many people in ICANN
>> already usurp the right to make policy without proper process, and I am not
>> about to become one of them  If the list wants to be more then a list or
>> wants to spin off real organizations then it is the responsibility of those
>> on that list to do so, and I would not hinder that effort.
>>
>> In a few months I will no longer be a member of the GNSO Council (I can
>> hear some people already rejoicing in the background!).  At that point I
>> will remain a member of the GA list, and at that point, if I want that list
>> to be something more then a basket for complaints then it will be become my
>> responsibility as a member of the list to try and do something.  Until then,
>> I am just one of the caretakers of the GA list who keep it running and
>> nothing more.
>>
>> a.
>>
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