[governance] Is ICANN listening?

[Lucy Lynch]

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Eric Dierker wrote:

> Well that is very nice Avri.  And I agree with much of what you say.  
> However their are two people who were regular contributors 
> suspended/censored from the list.  There are no recognized monitors and 
> the majordomo is hidden. That is all on you. YOU censored them. but with 
> nothing open and transparent.  So your talk is not consistent with your 
> actions as is the case generally with the GNSO. Your governmental 
> process is backroom and by fiat.   So you really do epitomize ICANNs 
> lack of accountability and ability to do and say opposite things.

Using full headers reveals:

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so, not a majordomo list - different commands will be needed

sorry for interrupting with technical info...

> --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
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> From: Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
> Subject: Re: [governance] Is ICANN listening?
> To: "Governance List" <governance at lists.cpsr.org>
> Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 10:44 AM
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> On 29 Jul 2009, at 03:35, cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net wrote:
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>> it is not up to the participants in the GA to keep it running it is up to you.
>
> I take that as the responsibility to make sure the list stays up and remains orderly, for some definition of orderly.
> Additionally I take it as my responsibility to read that list on a regular basis.
>
> The list is up, it functions, it is moderately orderly and I read it regularly.
>
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> I do not think that responsibility extends to trying to make that list anything more then a list where people who subscribe and wish to comment on ICANN related issues can do so in peace. In fact, without a decision of the GNSO Council approved by the ICANN Board, I would see trying to change the list as out of scope for me.  That is, I do not see my responsibility as being one of trying to make the GA list re-evolve into anything resembling what the GA was meant to be before it was decimated in the transition from DNSO to GNSO without a proper policy process - too many people in ICANN already usurp the right to make policy without proper process, and I am not about to become one of them  If the list wants to be more then a list or wants to spin off real organizations then it is the responsibility of those on that list to do so, and I would not hinder that effort.
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> In a few months I will no longer be a member of the GNSO Council (I can hear some people already rejoicing in the background!).  At that point I will remain a member of the GA list, and at that point, if I want that list to be something more then a basket for complaints then it will be become my responsibility as a member of the list to try and do something.  Until then, I am just one of the caretakers of the GA list who keep it running and nothing more.
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> a.
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