[governance] Monroe Doctrin for Cyberspace?

Sivasubramanian Muthusamy isolatedn at gmail.com
Sun Jul 19 09:10:12 EDT 2009


Hello All,

President James Monroe decreed in 1823 that any attempt to extend foreign
political systems onto U.S. soil would be considered an act of aggression
requiring U.S. intervention. This was essentially for national defense.

Mary Ann Davidson proposed to invoke the Doctrine" to put the world on
notice that the *US has cyberturf,* and that we will defend our turf" It
would be a distortion of this doctrine, if quoted to propose policies that
would amount to no less than an US aggression of a space that it common to
the whole world.  What is proposed is the opposite of Monroe Doctrine in
that sense.

Why would Oracle say this?

Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
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2009/7/19 Vanda Scartezini <vanda at uol.com.br>

>  Carlton
>
>  I guess I could add many others examples to your comments. Lets not be
> naïve on this.
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> *From:* carlton.samuels at gmail.com [mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Carlton Samuels
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:39 PM
> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"
> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Monroe Doctrin for Cyberspace?
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> Um, see, history matters!  Those of us on the periphery of empire can
> attest to that.
>
> Seems I share some common reading material with Ms. Davidson.  And while we
> read the same books, her worldview leads her to count all other actors in
> the space as merely collateral damage.
>
> The Monroe Doctrine is an unfortunate metaphor applied to either
> cybersecurity or Internet governance.  I shall take the most benign
> explanation and insist she is blithely unaware of the deleterious impact of
> the Monroe Doctrine on Latin America and the Caribbean. Honduras is just the
> latest gasp in a sorry history of an execrable policy that delivered
> "repeated injuries and usurpations greviously committed" and unilateral
> extraterritorial interventions resulting in stunted democratic institutions,
> mayhem and murder. Other stakeholders, the local people for one, were never
> recognized as having worthwhile much less sovereign interests. She clearly
> does not know the true history of the United Fruit Company in Central
> America and other implementing tools of this doctrine.   I won't even
> mention Haiti.
>
> Let us be clear. The views expressed by Madame Reding of the EC inre
> ICANN-related Internet governance issues are merely more, well.....shall we
> say nuanced...as befits a better understanding of the sweep of history and
> its impact on the future.
>
> History is not bunk.  And culture is a helluva thing!
>
> Carlton Samuels
>
> 2009/7/15 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <
> wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
>
> Here is a good statement from Mary Ann Davidson, CSO from Oracle, where she
> proposes a "Monroe Doctrin" for Internet Governance. This is an extended
> version from a statement she made in a Congressional Hearing recently.
>
> If somebody expected that we will soon the end of the IG debate, the
> contrary will be the case: The discussion has just started and the risk is,
> that all the new entrants in the discussion will probably not understand,
> what multistakeholderism is and why this has been an achievement for the
> diplomacy of the 1st decade of the 21st century. The 2nd decade could look
> rather different.
>
> Wolfgang
>
> http://blogs.oracle.com/maryanndavidson/
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