Hello All,<br><br>President James Monroe decreed in 1823 that any attempt to extend foreign
political systems onto U.S. soil would be considered an act of
aggression requiring U.S. intervention. This was essentially for national defense.<br><br>Mary Ann Davidson proposed to invoke the Doctrine" to put the world on notice that the <b>US has cyberturf,</b> and that we will defend our turf" It would be a distortion of this doctrine, if quoted to propose policies that would amount to no less than an US aggression of a space that it common to the whole world. What is proposed is the opposite of Monroe Doctrine in that sense. <br>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Carlton</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> I guess I could add many others examples to your comments. Lets
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carlton Samuels<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Monroe Doctrin for Cyberspace?</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: "Comic Sans MS";">Um, see, history matters! Those of us on the
periphery of empire can attest to that. <br>
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Seems I share some common reading material with Ms. Davidson. And while
we read the same books, her worldview leads her to count all other actors in
the space as merely collateral damage.<br>
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The Monroe Doctrine is an unfortunate metaphor applied to either cybersecurity
or Internet governance. I shall take the most benign explanation and
insist she is blithely unaware of the deleterious impact of the Monroe Doctrine
on Latin America and the Caribbean. Honduras is just the latest gasp in a sorry
history of an execrable policy that delivered "repeated injuries and
usurpations greviously committed" and unilateral extraterritorial
interventions resulting in stunted democratic institutions, mayhem and murder.
Other stakeholders, the local people for one, were never recognized as having
worthwhile much less sovereign interests. She clearly does not know the true
history of the United Fruit Company in Central America and other implementing
tools of this doctrine. I won't even mention Haiti. <br>
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Let us be clear. The views expressed by Madame Reding of the EC inre
ICANN-related Internet governance issues are merely more, well.....shall we say
nuanced...as befits a better understanding of the sweep of history and its
impact on the future.<br>
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History is not bunk. And culture is a helluva thing!<br>
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Carlton Samuels</span></p>
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<p>2009/7/15 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <<a href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de" target="_blank">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a>></p>
<p>Here is a good statement from Mary Ann Davidson, CSO from
Oracle, where she proposes a "Monroe Doctrin" for Internet
Governance. This is an extended version from a statement she made in a
Congressional Hearing recently.<br>
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If somebody expected that we will soon the end of the IG debate, the contrary
will be the case: The discussion has just started and the risk is, that all the
new entrants in the discussion will probably not understand, what
multistakeholderism is and why this has been an achievement for the diplomacy
of the 1st decade of the 21st century. The 2nd decade could look rather
different.<br>
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Wolfgang<br>
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<a href="http://blogs.oracle.com/maryanndavidson/" target="_blank">http://blogs.oracle.com/maryanndavidson/</a><br>
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