AW: [governance] AW: [tt-group] FW: GAID

Mon Dec 28 12:02:02 EST 2009

Agree.

BTW, Asia Pacific is a tricky term too. I am not sure if they are  
referring to APEC (Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation Forum). In any  
case, members of the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation Forum are:  
Chile, Peru, Mexico. Some countries in Latin America have its cost in  
the Asia Pacific (not Brazil)... which is sad when we issues regarding  
Intellectual Property Rights are discussed within the APEC Framework.  
(Usually Brazil brings a more progressive point of view in the  
negotiations). The same happen in Privacy. Usually lead by United  
States, Australia, Canada...

All the best,

Katitza

On Dec 28, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:

> I agree, Wolf.
>
> --c.a.
>
> Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:
>> Be careful in mixing IGF/MAG and ICT4D/GAID. This are two different  
>> shoes walking in different directions. ICT4D/GAID can learn  
>> something from IGF/MAG and we can the positive IGF/MAG experiences  
>> as a source of inspiration for the reform of ICT4D/GAID towards  
>> multistakeholderism. But do not try to put the two processes under  
>> one umbrella. This seems risky even if some groups think this is a  
>> good idea.
>>
>> Wolfgang
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> Von: Carlos A. Afonso [mailto:ca at cafonso.ca]
>> Gesendet: Mo 28.12.2009 14:13
>> An: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Jean-Louis FULLSACK
>> Cc: Vanda UOL; Kleinwächter, Wolfgang; 'Tim Unwin'; 'George  
>> Sadowsky'; 'Michael Gurstein'; tt-group at vancouvercommunity.net
>> Betreff: Re: [governance] AW: [tt-group] FW: GAID
>>
>>
>>
>> One of the hurdles of building this "G12" (for one, it should  
>> probably
>> be called "GXY" for now) is the regional distribution in  
>> representation.
>> I think it raises a lot of problems bundling together Mexico with the
>> USA in the "North America" representation -- and where do you fit the
>> Caribbean? So each region has its particularities and this group,  
>> if it
>> really is to go ahead, needs a lot of careful debate to arrive at
>> something which is not "defective by design" or just worthless. I  
>> think
>> Reding needs to mingle a bit more with the people in the different
>> regions before suggesting structures like this.
>>
>> Also, not sure if including Icann would not require including other
>> international entities closely related to one or more central items  
>> of
>> IG, which I think are at least as relevant as Icann's.
>>
>> --c.a.
>>
>> Jean-Louis FULLSACK wrote:
>>> Just a gag : why not consider the "G12" proposed by Mrs Reding in  
>>> May ?
>>>
>>> You don't rermember that ? Here it is summarized :
>>>
>>> Create a "G12 for in Internet governance" which should be convened  
>>> three
>>> times a year
>>> Composition :
>>> The president of ICANN
>>> 2 represntatives of Europe
>>> 2 represntatives of Africa
>>> 2 representatives of North America
>>> 2 representatives of South America
>>> 3 representatives of Asia and Pacific region
>>> This "G12" should debat on general orientations for the Internet and
>>> should -when necessary (sic)- formulate recommendations agreed on  
>>> by the
>>> majority of its members to the attention of ICANN.
>>> End of the proposal.
>>>
>>> Isn't it a marvelous team ? Mrs Reding was unfortunately replaced  
>>> as the
>>> ICT-IS Commissioner in Barroso 2 Commission. What a pity ! Will her
>>> successor, Mrs Kroes, be as prolofic for such folkloric  
>>> suggestions ?
>>> BTW : Multistaholderism is likely to be ignored by the EC ...
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Jean-Louis Fullsack
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Message du 27/12/09 14:48
>>>> De : "Vanda UOL"
>>>> A : governance at lists.cpsr.org, "'"Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"'" ,
>>>    "'Tim Unwin'" , "'George Sadowsky'" , "'Michael Gurstein'" ,
>>>    tt-group at vancouvercommunity.net
>>>> Copie à :
>>>> Objet : RE: [governance] AW: [tt-group] FW: GAID
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>    Hi Wolfgang,
>>>
>>>     Hope too much snow haven't compromise your Christmas time!  
>>> Around
>>>    here very hot! And no real results from Denmark meeting!
>>>
>>>     I do believe we need to work to "multistakeholderised" the WISIS
>>>    forum. For me this is high priority!. Mag could take a lead to
>>>    organize this, I agree.  2010 we might have an appropriate "half
>>>    time" document to mark the effort already done and the goals to
>>>    achieve till 2015.
>>>
>>>    Great 2010 for all of you!
>>>
>>>     Best
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"
>>>    [mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:54 AM
>>>> To: Tim Unwin; George Sadowsky; Michael Gurstein;
>>>    tt-group at vancouvercommunity.net
>>>> Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>>>> Subject: [governance] AW: [tt-group] FW: GAID
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Dear list
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    one opportunity to have a more strategic brainstorming around a
>>>    reasonable Follow up of GAID could be the IGF consultations in
>>>    February in Geneva. I propose to have on Wednesday, February, 10,
>>>    2010, over lunch (1315 - 1500) a meeting of people present in
>>>    Geneva. We had a similar meeting last year (in the ITU  
>>> Montbrillant
>>>    Building) where we identified an "identity crisis of GAID" with  
>>> no
>>>    consequences after the meeting. The meeting was chaired by Bill  
>>> and
>>>    Sarbulan was online from NY.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Any proposal?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    BTW I could imagine to move the "WSIS Forum", which is emerging  
>>> from
>>>    the annual meetings of the Actions Lines, into something which  
>>> could
>>>    absorb previous UNICTTF/GAID activities. My impression is that so
>>>    far the "WSIS Forum" is mainly in the hand of the ITU and other
>>>    IGOs, having the lead position in the Action Lines. The WSIS  
>>> Forum
>>>    could be further "multistakeholderised" and the responsibility to
>>>    organoze the meeting - convened by the UN/ITU/UNESCO/FAO/ILO -  
>>> could
>>>    go to a MAG like group. Do not forget that 2010 makrs half way
>>>    towards 2015m the dateline for the Geneva and Tunis Commitments.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Wolfgang
>>>
>>>
>>>
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