AW: [governance] AW: [tt-group] FW: GAID

Stefano Trumpy stefano.trumpy at iit.cnr.it
Mon Dec 28 12:40:01 EST 2009 

>Be careful in mixing IGF/MAG and ICT4D/GAID. 
>This are two different shoes walking in 
>different directions. ICT4D/GAID can learn 
>something from IGF/MAG and we can the positive 
>IGF/MAG experiences as a source of inspiration 
>for the reform of ICT4D/GAID towards 
>multistakeholderism. But do not try to put the 
>two processes under one umbrella. This seems 
>risky even if some groups think this is a good 
>idea.

Bravo Wolfgang; I share your opinion. The point 
is that IGF is having an unprecedented success 
and other powerful parties try to jump in the bus.
Stefano

>
>Wolfgang
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>________________________________
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>Von: Carlos A. Afonso [mailto:ca at cafonso.ca]
>Gesendet: Mo 28.12.2009 14:13
>An: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Jean-Louis FULLSACK
>Cc: Vanda UOL; Kleinwächter, Wolfgang; 'Tim 
>Unwin'; 'George Sadowsky'; 'Michael Gurstein'; 
>tt-group at vancouvercommunity.net
>Betreff: Re: [governance] AW: [tt-group] FW: GAID
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>One of the hurdles of building this "G12" (for one, it should probably
>be called "GXY" for now) is the regional distribution in representation.
>I think it raises a lot of problems bundling together Mexico with the
>USA in the "North America" representation -- and where do you fit the
>Caribbean? So each region has its particularities and this group, if it
>really is to go ahead, needs a lot of careful debate to arrive at
>something which is not "defective by design" or just worthless. I think
>Reding needs to mingle a bit more with the people in the different
>regions before suggesting structures like this.
>
>Also, not sure if including Icann would not require including other
>international entities closely related to one or more central items of
>IG, which I think are at least as relevant as Icann's.
>
>--c.a.
>
>Jean-Louis FULLSACK wrote:
>>
>>  Just a gag : why not consider the "G12" proposed by Mrs Reding in May ?
>>
>>  You don't rermember that ? Here it is summarized :
>>
>>  Create a "G12 for in Internet governance" which should be convened three
>>  times a year
>>  Composition :
>>  The president of ICANN
>>  2 represntatives of Europe
>>  2 represntatives of Africa
>>  2 representatives of North America
>>  2 representatives of South America
>>  3 representatives of Asia and Pacific region
>>  This "G12" should debat on general orientations for the Internet and
>>  should -when necessary (sic)- formulate recommendations agreed on by the
>>  majority of its members to the attention of ICANN.
>>  End of the proposal.
>>
>>  Isn't it a marvelous team ? Mrs Reding was unfortunately replaced as the
>>  ICT-IS Commissioner in Barroso 2 Commission. What a pity ! Will her
>>  successor, Mrs Kroes, be as prolofic for such folkloric suggestions ?
>>  BTW : Multistaholderism is likely to be ignored by the EC ...
>>
>>  Best
>>  Jean-Louis Fullsack
>>
>>
>>
>>      > Message du 27/12/09 14:48
>>      > De : "Vanda UOL"
>>      > A : governance at lists.cpsr.org, "'"Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"'" ,
>>      "'Tim Unwin'" , "'George Sadowsky'" , "'Michael Gurstein'" ,
>>      tt-group at vancouvercommunity.net
>>      > Copie à :
>>      > Objet : RE: [governance] AW: [tt-group] FW: GAID
>>      >
>>      >
>>
>>      Hi Wolfgang,
>>
>>       Hope too much snow haven't compromise your Christmas time! Around
>>      here very hot! And no real results from Denmark meeting!
>>
>>       I do believe we need to work to "multistakeholderised" the WISIS
>>      forum. For me this is high priority!. Mag could take a lead to
>>      organize this, I agree.  2010 we might have an appropriate "half
>>      time" document to mark the effort already done and the goals to
>>      achieve till 2015.
>>
>>      Great 2010 for all of you!
>>
>>       Best
>>
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>>      -----Original Message-----
>  >     > From: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"
>>      [mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de]
>>      > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:54 AM
>>      > To: Tim Unwin; George Sadowsky; Michael Gurstein;
>>      tt-group at vancouvercommunity.net
>>      > Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>>      > Subject: [governance] AW: [tt-group] FW: GAID
>>
>>
>>
>>      Dear list
>>
>>
>>
>>      one opportunity to have a more strategic brainstorming around a
>>      reasonable Follow up of GAID could be the IGF consultations in
>>      February in Geneva. I propose to have on Wednesday, February, 10,
>>      2010, over lunch (1315 - 1500) a meeting of people present in
>>      Geneva. We had a similar meeting last year (in the ITU Montbrillant
>>      Building) where we identified an "identity crisis of GAID" with no
>>      consequences after the meeting. The meeting was chaired by Bill and
>>      Sarbulan was online from NY.
>>
>>
>>
>>      Any proposal?
>>
>>
>>
>>      BTW I could imagine to move the "WSIS Forum", which is emerging from
>>      the annual meetings of the Actions Lines, into something which could
>>      absorb previous UNICTTF/GAID activities. My impression is that so
>>      far the "WSIS Forum" is mainly in the hand of the ITU and other
>>      IGOs, having the lead position in the Action Lines. The WSIS Forum
>>      could be further "multistakeholderised" and the responsibility to
>>      organoze the meeting - convened by the UN/ITU/UNESCO/FAO/ILO - could
>>      go to a MAG like group. Do not forget that 2010 makrs half way
>>      towards 2015m the dateline for the Geneva and Tunis Commitments.
>>
>>
>>
>>      Wolfgang
>>
>>
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