[governance] AW: [tt-group] FW: GAID

Avri Doria avri at psg.com
Mon Dec 28 10:52:47 EST 2009 

hi,

does the TT list have an open archive?

Re; the G12 (and even the GXY variant)  suggestion - great idea if and only if we wish to vest Internet  supremacy in the hands of governments to the exclusion of civil society, the Internet technical community and the private sector.  

Then again they may be nice enough to let us have a liaison in the room who can, if she/he asks politely and submits it to vetting, make a statement at the end of the deliberations.

a.

On 28 Dec 2009, at 10:24, Michael Gurstein wrote:

> Things have gone a wee bit awry here I think, with crosspostings without enough background...
>  
> To clarify a bit--a second e-list (tt-group... sorry can't remember right now why that particular name) was established almost 18 months ago from within those formally involved in the governance structure of the Global Alliance for ICT for Development (UN-GAID) www.un-gaid.org/  who were critical of the way in which the GAID was operating and to suggest alternatives. (There is a substantial cross-membership between the governance list and the tt-group list).
>  
> The tt-group list produced a letter which was formally transmitted to the leaders and sponsors of the GAID to little visible effect. Recently, the tt-group elist was brought out of hibernation and is currently discussing if or how to react to retirement of the current ED of the GAID (Sarbuland Khan) and what appears to be a move to "mainstream" (i.e. in UN speak merge and then "disappear") the GAID as an independent UN structure.
>  
> I think it is fair to say that the folks on the TT-group list (who are linked by all having a serious interest in post-WSIS ICT4D policy at the global and bi-lateral institutional level) do NOT see a convergence between the current issues of the IGF and ICT4D activities or policies.
>  
> So it is likely to be rather more efficient and effective if the discussions on the two lists are kept relatively separate.
>  
> However, it is likely a further consensus that the discussions (and participants) on the TT-group list should expand much beyond a focus on the GAID so anyone on the "governance" list who has an interest in the tt-group's discussion could subscribe by sending an email
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> to: sympa at vancouvercommunity.net
>  
> message: subscribe tt-group
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> (or sending me an email and I'll sub you directly.
>  
> Best to all,
>  
> M
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Louis FULLSACK [mailto:jlfullsack at orange.fr] 
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 1:00 AM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Vanda UOL; '"Kleinwächter Wolfgang"'; 'Tim Unwin'; 'George Sadowsky'; 'Michael Gurstein'; tt-group at vancouvercommunity.net
> Subject: RE: [governance] AW: [tt-group] FW: GAID
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> 
> Just a gag : why not consider the "G12" proposed by Mrs Reding in May ?
> 
> You don't rermember that ? Here it is summarized :
> 
> Create a "G12 for in Internet governance" which should be convened three times a year 
> Composition :
> The president of ICANN
> 2 represntatives of Europe
> 2 represntatives of Africa
> 2 representatives of North America
> 2 representatives of South America
> 3 representatives of Asia and Pacific region
> This "G12" should debat on general orientations for the Internet and should -when necessary (sic)- formulate recommendations agreed on by the majority of its members to the attention of ICANN. 
> End of the proposal.
> 
> Isn't it a marvelous team ? Mrs Reding was unfortunately replaced as the ICT-IS Commissioner in Barroso 2 Commission. What a pity ! Will her successor, Mrs Kroes, be as prolofic for such folkloric suggestions ? 
> BTW : Multistaholderism is likely to be ignored by the EC ...
> 
> Best
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> 
> 
> 
> > Message du 27/12/09 14:48
> > De : "Vanda UOL" 
> > A : governance at lists.cpsr.org, "'"Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"'" , "'Tim Unwin'" , "'George Sadowsky'" , "'Michael Gurstein'" , tt-group at vancouvercommunity.net
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> > Objet : RE: [governance] AW: [tt-group] FW: GAID
> > 
> >
> Hi Wolfgang,
>  Hope too much snow haven't compromise your Christmas time! Around here very hot! And no real results from Denmark meeting!
>  I do believe we need to work to "multistakeholderised" the WISIS forum. For me this is high priority!. Mag could take a lead to organize this, I agree.  2010 we might have an appropriate "half time" document to mark the effort already done and the goals to achieve till 2015.
> Great 2010 for all of you!
>  Best
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> -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" [mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:54 AM
> > To: Tim Unwin; George Sadowsky; Michael Gurstein; tt-group at vancouvercommunity.net
> > Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> > Subject: [governance] AW: [tt-group] FW: GAID
>  
> Dear list
>  
> one opportunity to have a more strategic brainstorming around a reasonable Follow up of GAID could be the IGF consultations in February in Geneva. I propose to have on Wednesday, February, 10, 2010, over lunch (1315 - 1500) a meeting of people present in Geneva. We had a similar meeting last year (in the ITU Montbrillant Building) where we identified an "identity crisis of GAID" with no consequences after the meeting. The meeting was chaired by Bill and Sarbulan was online from NY.
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> Any proposal?  
>  
> BTW I could imagine to move the "WSIS Forum", which is emerging from the annual meetings of the Actions Lines, into something which could absorb previous UNICTTF/GAID activities. My impression is that so far the "WSIS Forum" is mainly in the hand of the ITU and other IGOs, having the lead position in the Action Lines. The WSIS Forum could be further "multistakeholderised" and the responsibility to organoze the meeting - convened by the UN/ITU/UNESCO/FAO/ILO - could go to a MAG like group. Do not forget that 2010 makrs half way towards 2015m the dateline for the Geneva and Tunis Commitments.
>  
> Wolfgang 
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