AW: [governance] My blog on the Tuesday consultation

[Kleinwächter, Wolfgang]

I am surprised that Milton in his blog did ignore the statements of  the governments of China, Russia and US. Interesting interventions and worth to read in the transcripts. 
wolfgang 

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Von: Jeanette Hofmann [mailto:jeanette at wzb.eu]
Gesendet: Do 18.09.2008 19:08
An: Raul Echeberria
Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Milton L Mueller
Betreff: Re: [governance] My blog on the Tuesday consultation



Hi Raul,
I guess there are a few misunderstandings...

Raul Echeberria wrote:
> Jeanette:
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> i completely disagree with your assertion and I have to confess that I
> am very surprised to see you saying that.
> The Technical community doesn't exist in the sense that you try to
> describe. There are not a lot of closed and secret lists

I didn't speak of closed or secret lists. I am subscribed to several
technical lists myself.

of people that
> fight very much among them and later smiles to the other stakeholders.
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> The lists that you refer are usually open and everybody can participate
> and become engaged in the discussions.

I know and wouldn't dispute that.


> It is also very unfair what you said regarding the "educational"
> attitude.

Milton referred to the discussion we had about the structure and
direction of the main session on IPv4/IPv6 at the next IGF meeting. It
wasn't easy to come to an agreement. Different ideas about the focus and
the purpose of the session played a role here, as you know.

You have had a lot of opporuntities to partcipate in deep
> frank and open discussions with many "technical community" people.

Yes, this is true. And I wouldn't say that all engineers hide
controversies. Yet, without wanting to be unfair, it is still true that
I am puzzled by the differences of the ways issues are presented within
engineering communities and outside of it.

Believe it or not, I once wrote an article about this. In this article
(from 1998 or so) I compared the account that an engineer gave in an
interview with me with his contributions on a mailing list. It was Mike
O'Dell who I interviewed, and I sent him the article. He didn't find it
offensive from what I remember.

Here is a little clipping from the article. It is so old, it makes me laugh:

Shortly before midnight on a Saturday evening in October, we receive an
email. Under the number 2200, the following posting appears on our
mailing list:

Date sent:        Sat, 5 Oct 1996 23:57:23 -0400 (EDT)
      From:        mo at UU.NET (Mike O'Dell)
      To:          ipng at sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM
      Subject:     (IPng 2200) 8+8...

      imagine that. i have a draft that i'm finishing up which
      details an 8+8
      proposal....

       -mo

For those interested in the full text:
http://duplox.wz-berlin.de/people/jeanette/texte/gortextengl.html

jeanette
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> El 18/09/2008, a las 11:48 a.m., Jeanette Hofmann escribió:
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>> Hi Milton, you address something on the blog that I have also found
>> puzzling. The technical community engages in fierce debates on their
>> mailing lists and in face2face meetings. However, as soon as they
>> interact with others they take an educational stance and try to hide
>> the highly controversial dimension of the issues at stake. IPv4/IPv6
>> is a good example. Why is that?
>> jeanette
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>> Milton L Mueller wrote:
>>> For those of you who haven''t seen it, here is my take on the IGF
>>> consultation
>>> http://blog.internetgovernance.org/blog/_archives/2008/9/17/3889384.html
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