[governance] Rights and Privacy: Questioning Google's PrivacyReform

[Fouad Bajwa]

Fairly well put this time now!

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Fouad Bajwa

On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Jeffrey A. Williams
<jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> McTim and all,
>
> McTim wrote:
>
>> cc list trimmed.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Jeffrey A. Williams
>> <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > All, and especially Vint,
>> >
>> >  I can't of course speak for the IGC, nor Google users, I am not one,
>> >
>> > but I am yet again having trouble believing anything Google officially
>> > says, or for that matter does, as well as having more and more trouble
>> > with their sense of right and wrong, and User Friendliness.
>>
>> If you are not a Google user, then why do you think you have any
>> standing to comment on their practices?
>
>  Personally I don't.  But a few of our members do.
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >  Given that Privacy is a very special and most important right,
>> > as it is not separable from saftey/security, endangering others by
>> > having business practices and policies such as Googles TOS
>>
>> Individuals use web services of certain companies, if they have
>> concerns about those companies practices, then they should complain to
>> that company and/or NOT USE those services.
>
> Agreed to a degree.  Simply doing as you suggest does not effect
> change as history has shown in a reasonable direction more often
> than not.
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > and this article below demonstrates gives me and our members
>> > much more than just pause, but grave concern as well for many
>> > obvious and not so obvious reasons, all of which Google executives
>> > should be well aware of and/or recognize fully, but either don't,
>> > or do, and could care less...
>>
>> If, according to their biz model they feel the need to keep data for a
>> period of time, and make users aware of this, then it seems to me that
>> they are full aware.  The facts of the story you cite below leads me
>> to think they do care.
>
>  Problem is they haven't done so until very recently, and even at
> that, they have not done so in a very broad public way.  Why do
> they need to keep this data anyway?
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > See:
>> > A story questioning whether Google's recent commitment to anonymize
>> > IP logs faster is  http://news.cnet.com/8301-13739_3-10038963-46.html
>> > really as good as it sounds.  We discussed
>> >  http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/09/1334251&tid=158
>>
>> It seems to me that this company is doing more for Internet growth in
>> the developing world than any other I can think of.  It's certainly
>> the case here in East Africa, with Apps, translation, google.org
>> support to SMEs, etc.  This is just the latest example:  http://www.o3
>> bnetworks.com
>
>  True enough, ignorance is bliss I suppose...
>
>>
>>
>> We, as a caucus, should embrace this type of corporate social
>> responsibility, not criticize them for listening to the concerns of
>> privacy advocates, and acting upon those concerns.
>
>  Obviously I disagree to an extent.  I am not a privacy advocate
> in the political sense.  Sure, I do have a strong belief in the Bill
> of Rights and the US Constitution and the privacy rights it extolls.
> As such, and when Google or any other company or individual
> tramples or mitigates those rights, however minutely, I proudly
> and rightly object.  This is as I see it, and swore to same, my
> duty as an American citizen, and Security Professional.  A US
> corporations primary social responsibility is as it should be,
> FIRST and FORMOST to abide by the ALL the laws and Constitutional
> provisions, and rights under the Bill of Rights.  Not to mitigate
> same in their own corporate social ideal for the purposes of
> political advantage of the day or time.  So if we are going to
> ever have an "Internet Bill of Rights" we as a caucus are going to
> need to get Google on board of fully, and without any mitigation,
> respecting individual users rights.  A tall order to be sure!
>
>  Otherwise a "Internet Bill of Rights" is a nearly a useless exercise
> or a empty vessel of very little, if any value.  I know where I stand,
> and where you and Google stand at present.  Hopefully we can
> convince you that your and Googles possition is not yet in the interest
> of the "Greater Good" and when your and Googles is, old Ben's sprit
> can be proud of us all.  >:)
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> McTim
>> mctim.blogspot.com (a Google service)
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