[governance] no need to feed the trolls
Jeffrey A. Williams
jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
Sun Oct 26 08:32:31 EDT 2008
Rudi and all,
I'll try to answer your inquiry and shall do so this way
in the interest of brevity, modality, and individuals personal
privacy and security:
INEGroup bylaws are publicly available on Edgar as I
have many times stated over the past 9+ years. Our members,
are also available via FOIA to the FEC. I do not have myself
a full list of all of our members as that information at that level
of granularity is not necessary for me to have, nor can I post all
280k+ members to this or any other mailing list due to the shear
size of that list. Some are even members or your counties ISOC,
even though the ISOC ceased to be a full membership organization
where each member had a voice AND a vote on issues that the
ISOC might take that effects them. As such, many felt and still
feel they have been effectively disenfranchised accordingly.
And finally, but very importantly I would not, and by resolution
and many legal structures and jurisdictions, cannot give out members
PII lest I want to be sued, which I do not. I personally respect individuals
personal privacy even though some organizations only say they do and
some governments, including my own don't always uphold those persons
privacy which is directly related to their security. Most, if not all or
our members to my knowledge are also members of many other
organizations such as EFF, ISOC, ACLU, Doctors without boarders,
ect., ect., ect... And all are Domain Name holders. A few or our
members are Sr. Executives or IAP's ISP's or other types or
telecommunication infrastructure service providers.
My job as to INEGroup is as spokesman, the messanger/public
voice if you will... Pretty simple actually.
Rudi Vansnick wrote:
> Jeffrey,
>
> If the organisation is real can you please send us the official by laws ?
> I would like to know what INEGroup stands for, who the stakeholders are,
> who the members are and how I could eventually join the organisation ?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Rudi Vansnick
>
> Jeffrey A. Williams schreef:
> > Adam and all,
> >
> > Sorry Adam, your incorrect. INEGroup is registered and is
> > filed with the US FEC. Submitting a FOIA request, which has been
> > done on several occasions, will give you the factual information
> > via an independant source that you need or desire. Further
> > we are registered with Edgar and DOC/NTIA as of 1998 which
> > you can check out for yourself if you so choose, also via a
> > FOIA request as well. So as always, do your due diligance
> > if you desire accordingly.
> >
> > Sorry everyone else, but Adam is publically here challanging
> > me and INEGroup, yet he has never submitted the legally proper
> > FOIA request to be making the FALSE statement he is making
> > below. However Adam has had from time to time disagreements
> > with our members positions and has demonstrated privately
> > via Email that he has a personal vendetta, as I would and others
> > whom have reviewed independantly those Email at my request,
> > discribed such. This is unfortunate and certainly not any of
> > my doing. But if you wish, I can forward those Email to any
> > of you for your review upon request and a signed non disclosure
> > agreement if you provide a mailing address or via forward by
> > Email if you have a valid and up to date, Class 2 cert.
> >
> > But Adam is correct about one thing, that member count in
> > my sig file below, is not fully up to date. That is simply because
> > I don't yet have an accurate count, but our membership is now
> > estimated to be closer to 284,000 members presently. However
> > until I recieve an accurate count, I will not be updating my Sig file
> > to reflect the correct figure accordingly so as not to be misleading.
> >
> > Adam Peake wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> Hi Ian and Parminder,
> >>>
> >>> Would you both like to intervene on these issues of identity crisis please?
> >>>
> >> Why?
> >>
> >> Jeff Williams has been posting to ICANN and general Internet lists
> >> for years. You will find plenty of notes about who he is (or is not)
> >> and about the claims he makes.
> >>
> >> He closes every email with a .sig that's patently untrue. There is
> >> no INEGroup LLA, no 281k members/stakeholders.
> >>
> >> You judge if you want to bother replying. I'd suggest best just to
> >> ignore him. It's not about substance, some of his emails are as sane
> >> as anyone else's, some are inflammatory, some are just silly. As the
> >> subject lines suggests it's best not to feed the troll. And to use
> >> another online cliche... your mileage may vary.
> >>
> >> I am not Paddy bateman,, but I agree with his/her comment.
> >>
> >> It would also be best not to continue this thread!
> >>
> >> Adam
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Paddy bateman
> >>> <pbateman.igov at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > For those who may be tempted to take seriously the posts by Jeff Williams,
> >>>
> >>>> please consider that his only role in the Internet community is as a
> >>>> longstanding troll who has delighted in clogging up multiple
> >>>> Internet-related mailing lists with gibberish and lies over the past decade.
> >>>> It's nothing more than a game for him. The best way of keeping this list
> >>>> useful is to completely ignore his posts.
> >>>>
> >>>> For more background information, see here:
> >>>>
> >>> > http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/08030.html
> >>>
> >>>> And if he complains that he he is being defamed by this mail, which he
> >>>> probably will, and you are tempted to take him seriously, first ask him
> >>>> where you may be able to find some information about "INEGroup LLA", the
> >>>> imaginary organization he claims to be spokesperson for. If INEGroup LLA
> >>>> actually existed, and if it had more than 281,000
> >>>> members as he falsely claims in each of his mails, then you would think
> >>>> there might be some public information available. You'd also think that one
> >>>> or two of those members might be willing to identify themselves.
> >>>>
> >>>> He is playing a game. We are trying to tackle serious issues. We do not need
> >>>> his distractions.
> >>>>
> >>>> -pb
> >>>>
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> > Regards,
> >
> > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
> > Abraham Lincoln
> >
> > "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
> > very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
> >
> > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> > liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> > United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> > ===============================================================
> > Updated 1/26/04
> > CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
> > div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.
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> > jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
> > My Phone: 214-244-4827
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Regards,
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
Abraham Lincoln
"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail
jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
My Phone: 214-244-4827
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