[governance] IGF, Hyderabad

Tue Nov 18 22:39:22 EST 2008

Bill and Jean-Louis,

We have been seeing some degree of concern over the lack of CS engagement
with the increasing role that ITU plays in IG and in shaping the future of
the Internet. Of course some of us have been expressing this concern for
much longer.

I remember that when I heard a passionate intervention of Bills during a CS
meeting convened by APC in September on the sidelines of the MAG
consultations, it set me thinking even more about how to get IGC to engage
with the ITU. 

Later there were some more emails on the issue of IP trace-backs work being
done by the ITU  and I remember one by Fouad  seeking a IGC/ CS stand on
the issue.

I propose that we shape for more active engagement with ITU, and for this we
set up an IGF standing working group on ITU engagement, or whatever. This
group can feed into IGC issues of greatest current importance, and those
which are soon forthcoming, apart from suggesting a longer horizon
engagement, and also perhaps their views on it, and such. Giving some clear
shape to our possible engagements with the ITU is also important in view of
the forthcoming ITUs World Telecommunications Policy Forum early next
year, which seems to be poised to get into some very significant issues. The
same group could look into issue of structuring CS engagement with the ITU.
Wont be bad if we try to propose some such structure on behalf of IGC as an
entity, and see their response. 

I propose that Bill, Jean-Louis and Fouad be the initial members of this
group, and whoever else wants to can opt-in. Since among these three, Bill
has had the longest engagement with this group, I suggest he convenes the
group on IGCs behalf. Others may give their comments. Thanks. 

Parminder 

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From: William Drake [mailto:william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 6:40 AM
To: jlfullsack
Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Subject: Re: [governance] IGF, Hyderabad

Hi Jean-Louis,

Sorry, I don't recall your comments at Eurodig, maybe I was emailing or
something at the time. But I agree with you that the ITU/CS interface, or
rather the lack thereof, urgently needs attention, especially since there is
at least nominally a review underway in ITU and it'd be good to be useful to
the friendly governments that asked for it.  I've raised the matter a number
of times on gov list over the years, suggested interested people
collaborate, but never managed to stir much interest in this or the ITU more
generally.  If Toure's rather provocative speech in Cairo has changed the
landscape and people are now concerned about what governments, telcos et al
are up to in ITU, great.  I'd of course be happy to talk to you about this
stuff, but I don't think the two of us alone can do anything that would
matter to ITU, the only thing that might resonate is a collective
engagement.

Best,

Bill

On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:12 PM, jlfullsack wrote:

Hi Bill

I beg your pardon for butting in with a personel reminding :

During the the Eurodig session at Strasbourg you mentioned some concerns
about the ITU, especially in the field of CS friendliness or inclusion.
During the following discussion I expressed my readiness to join you for
looking more closely on different issues regarding CS participation in its
working and other hot issues concerning this UN  agency, as to draw up some
recommendations for the future EURDIC ou whichever MS discussion on IG or
general international institutions' governance. Would you be so kind for
answering if you agree on this personal proposal. It's possible for me to
stay a couple of days in the Geneva area.

All the best

Jean-Louis Fullsack

Have a look to our website www.csdptt.org where you'll find an article (in
french) entitled 'L'UIT : la vieille dame des télécommunications' which best
reflects my own experience with, and opinion about, the ITU 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: William Drake <mailto:william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch>  

To: Governance <mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org>  

Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:28 AM

Subject: Re: [governance] IGF, Hyderabad

Hi, 

The 2nd sounds right, we should meet as early as possible in the week, but
after GigaNet would be problematic.

Best,

BD

On Nov 9, 2008, at 4:08 PM, Parminder wrote:

There is a giganet business meeting on 1st evening 17 to 1830 hours.

Can we then agree to meet on 2nd  1730 to 1930. Know it is  a bit late but
there isnt any other opportunity IGC gets to meet, other than at IGFs. 

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From: Ian Peter [mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 12:03 PM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Subject: RE: [governance] IGF, Hyderabad

Either date works for me  early evening to allow those who want to take a
meal together afterwards would probably suit best.

Ian Peter

PO Box 429

Bangalow NSW 2479

Australia

Tel (+614) 1966 7772 or (+612) 6687 0773

www.ianpeter.com

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From: Parminder [mailto:parminder at itforchange.net] 
Sent: 09 November 2008 17:26
To: 'Ian Peter'; governance at lists.cpsr.org
Subject: [governance] IGF, Hyderabad

Ian

After posting a report on IGC at the IGF, the customary IGC meeting at IGF
was the next thing I was going to suggest. How does the evening of 1st (eve
of IGF) or 2nd (day 1 of the IGF) sound to all those who will be attending.

I also was not seeking a statement from the IGC on the way IGF should
evolve, only seeking to orient the group towards starting to engage with
this issue. We have a workshop on this issue at the IGF, and IGF review
process kind of starts from IGF, Hyderabad, onwards.

I agree with what you say, Ian, on starting the election process.

Parminder 

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