[governance] Nomcom and conflict of interest
Suresh Ramasubramanian
suresh at hserus.net
Mon May 26 22:42:29 EDT 2008
Consider this please
1. Bertrand has CS cred .. you do acknowledge that.
2. He works for the French government now.
My position is -
1. He can still stand for election, it is his decision
2. When standing for election, he should not be excluded on the basis
of his employer
3. When standing for election he will, as is the norm, make a
statement on what conflict of interest(s) he will have, and how he expects
those to affect his representation of the caucus, in the MAG
4. The nomcomm takes that statement into account, when accepting or
declining his candidacy
The two positions I advocated are entirely consistent with each other.
thanks
suresh
From: Guru [mailto:guru at itforchange.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:00 AM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Suresh Ramasubramanian
Cc: 'Avri Doria'
Subject: Re: [governance] Nomcom and conflict of interest
Suresh
How is this consistent with your previous mail that
if some PERSON has CS cred, he has CS cred, regardless of whatever
organization (private sector, intl org, " IAB" etc) that he happens to work
for.
Not able to understand your position.
Guru
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
It is up to him to stand for election. And to declare any conflicts of
interest
It is THEN up to the nomcomm to evaluate his statement of candidacy
It is not, with all due respect, up to the nomcomm to apply a blanket ban
From: Guru [mailto:guru at itforchange.net]
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 10:10 PM
To: Suresh Ramasubramanian
Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; 'Avri Doria'
Subject: Re: [governance] Nomcom and conflict of interest
Suresh
Bertrand has been active member of IGC and as a CS person in WSIS. He is
currently member of GAC, representing Govt of France. Do you think that he
can also be nominated by IGC to MAG under CS quota?
Guru
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
I will agree with Avri's definition 100%, and again submit that if some
PERSON has CS cred, he has CS cred, regardless of whatever organization
(private sector, intl org, " IAB" etc) that he happens to work for.
From: Guru [mailto:guru at itforchange.net]
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 9:38 PM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Avri Doria
Subject: Re: [governance] Nomcom and conflict of interest
Avri,
There is a serious problem when the same term is used to mean two different
things. It leads to a lot of confusion, when in an argument one person is
using one meaning and the other person, the second meaning.
Can we try and use two different terms for these two categories.
We could consistently use
A. IAB (Internet Administration Bodies) for those "those _organizations_
that focus on work, often in a partially coordinated manner, intended to
insure the technical integrity and technical development of the Internet." I
would add - 'and participate in the administration / governance of the
internet'. The IGC submission in the feb consultations clearly covered this
group when it stated that the participation of IABs in MAG should not be at
the cost of CS participation'
B. and use 'technical experts' (i am sure better names are possible) for
individuals - these experts can belong to Govt or Business or CS groups (as
also suggested by Raul).
Guru
ps- Still waiting from responses on this question from Suresh and McTim..
Avri Doria wrote:
On 26 May 2008, at 11:27, Raul Echeberria wrote:
There are still many people that prefer to keep the classification in 3
stakeholders group.
and it is those people who make the rules. we don't get to decide how many
stakeholder groups there are in things that derive from the WSIS decisions.
we can argue for change, but we alone do not make the rules.
the WSIS Tunis Agenda defined 3 groups plus 2 cross-cutting groups. so
within this environment we seem to be stuck with 3 stakeholder groups and 2
cross-cutting groups.
btw, in another thread someone asked for a definition of the Internet
technical Community. in addition to what i have written abut it before i
define it as:
those _organizations_ that focus on work, often in a partially coordinated
manner, intended to insure the technical integrity and technical development
of the Internet.
the term can also be applied to those individuals, whether they come from
government, business or civil society who devote their lives to the cause of
Internet technical integrity and technical development and who work with or
for these organizations. yes, i see this as somewhat problematic and at the
time of WSIS argued for a 4th house - the Internet Technical Community. but
as history shows, this was rejected and thus we, pragmatically, need to live
with what we've got until the ground rules change.
and I agree with Raul when he says:
In that case we have o let anybody to decide to which group they feel
closer.
Maybe some people in the so called "technical community" feel closer from
the business sector, and others, like me feels part of civil society
organizations space.
a.
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