Fwd: [governance] Mercenaries on the list

[Rui Correia]

Apparently I sent this ealier reply only to the person who commented,
whereas I meant to send it out to the list.

Fegards,

Rui

 EARLIER EMAIL:


Barring your comment about "sweetly paranoid", which escapes me, you
 are speaking to a fellow African, equally wounded by the general
 levelling of our delegates as "per diem bloodsuckers", as if nobody
 from Africa or other developing regions contributed anything.

 In terms of your questions:

 1.anybody - including you and and I - could have received an envelope
 to argue against the current (were that not the case there wouldn't be
 a handful of organisations dedicated to root out corruption bribery
 etc - and "OUR" list is not above any of that - NO paranoia here! I've
 worked in most countries in Southern Africa and have come across
 'suspect' individuals (not "agents provocateurs", as you say, which
 would be something entirely different.
 2. Being passionate has nothing to do with anything other than WHAT
 and WHY you are being passionate about ... and to a lot of people a
 little brown envelope makes a difference. Whereas Uganda is not SADC,
 in Southern Africa I have ENOUGH DOCUMENTED evidence of "envelopes".

 As for the envelopes ... very PERTINENT organisations on this list and
 on this THEME are familiar  with the practice ..... (but will deny,
 unlike Microsoft, which unashamedly admits to some 'some' unsavoury
 practices.

 Tenho dito

 best regards,


 Rui



 On 24/05/2008, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
 > My China!
 >
 >  On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Rui Correia <correia.rui at gmail.com> wrote:
 >  > With all due respect
 >
 >  not a very respectful post, but as I think I can hit this for six,
 >  i'll have a go..
 >
 >
 >  >
 >  > Methinks that when the dialogue become frank enough for people to
 >  > begin voicing things like "people we trust to represent us",
 >  then it
 >  > is time to admit something that I said a long time ago: how do we know
 >  > that the people on this list are who they say they are?
 >
 >
 > Do you think that people have subbed to the list with assumed
 >  identities, or are you saying that those who have participated in the
 >  recent heated posting are agent provocateurs?  Both assertions are
 >  equally laughable.  Who do you think has the budget to place such
 >  agents, and why would they care about a list that has no actual
 >  decision making power when it comes to passing bits?
 >
 >
 >
 >   How do we know
 >  > that the list has not been infiltrated by whoever might it be that
 >  > works against the interests of civil society?
 >
 >
 > As SR said, define that please.  I have offered a dozen definitions
 >  all of which include the exisiting IG organisations that have been
 >  excluded, a priori, from being nominated in 2008 by us to the MAG.  As
 >  I have said long ago, and many times since CS interests ARE in the
 >  current BUTOC system that works so well.  Can you tell me what you
 >  think CS interests are?
 >
 >
 >  >
 >  > Judging from recent posting, I would dare say that there are a number
 >  > of mercenaries on the list - some so blatant ans passionate about the
 >  > interests that they defend that they have blown their cover.
 >  >
 >
 >
 > So now, one can't be passionate unless they are a "mercenary"?
 >  Everyone is passionate about their positions, so by that logic, we (on
 >  this list) are all then mercenaries, no?
 >
 >  I'd be happy to detail exactly what I have made, cash in the bank wise
 >  on IG projects in the 3 years I've been on the list:
 >
 >   Zero, Bupkiss, Sweet Fanny Adams.
 >
 >  I doubt that the same is true for many others on this list, or those
 >  who Veni calls CS-IGPs.  I would welcome full disclosure of list
 >  members sources of IG income, so all of our conflicts of interest are
 >  right out there in the open for all to see.
 >
 >  Oh, and when I speak here in Uganda, and am "facilitated", I take just
 >  enough cash out of the envelope to pay for a bit of fuel, and give the
 >  rest back (except the first time, as I had no clue how much was in the
 >  envelope and was really embarrassed there was so much in their when I
 >  got home and looked).
 >
 >
 >  > Tenho dito! ('I have spoken', as they say in Portuguese)
 >
 >
 > and how sweetly paranoid it was too!
 >
 >
 >  --
 >  Cheers,
 >
 >  McTim
 >  $ whois -h whois.afrinic.net mctim
 >



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Rui Correia
Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Consultant
2 Cutten St
Horison
Roodepoort-Johannesburg,
South Africa
Tel/ Fax (+27-11) 766-4336
Mobile (+27) (0) 84-498-6838
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