[governance] [process] Fwd: IGC Membership list

[Parminder]

Avri

> one does not need to subscribe to the charter to vote.  

(snip)

> i
> think it would be unfair to ask them to support the charter in order
> to have their voting rights.


The charter says - ".. the voter must personally ascertain that they are a
member of the IGC based on membership criteria described elsewhere in this
charter...."

The 'elsewhere' implied here is the membership section which says

" The members of the IGC are individuals, acting in personal capacity, who
subscribe to the charter of the caucus." 


So, subscription to the charter and thus acceptance of membership is a clear
pre-condition for voting.

I am going by my above interpretation of the charter, and as a practical
consideration doing the membership assertion and actual voting as a two-step
process for various reasons explained multiple times earlier. I am sorry,
but I will like to close this argument from my side at this stage.

Parminder  


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at psg.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:21 PM
> To: Governance Caucus
> Subject: Re: [governance] [process] Fwd: IGC Membership list
> 
> hi,
> 
> As i said, i do not think the charter speak to it, so you can.  what i
> also said is that i believe this list cannot used for the sending of
> ballots without a change to the charter.  a ballot goes to anyone who
> is a subscriber to the list 2 months before any vote.
> 
> one does not need to subscribe to the charter to vote.  one only needs
> to be a CS IGC participant as defined in the charter.
> 
> i think from the discussions i have heard that some of our more active
> members do not do support the charter as they dislike certain
> features,  e.g. nomcom processes, so unless we change the charter, i
> think it would be unfair to ask them to support the charter in order
> to have their voting rights.
> 
> a.
> 
> On 29 Jun 2008, at 16:40, Parminder wrote:
> 
> >
> > Avri
> >
> >
> >> he could send out requests for people to sign the charter every
> >> month,
> >> the charter says nothing about that - so he is free to do so whenever
> >> he wishes in this respect - as long as his co-coordinator agrees.
> >
> >
> > So, as I understand, you have no problem with preparing a members
> > list.
> > Lets then first just go ahead and make this list as per the charter's
> > conditions of membership.
> >
> > Parminder
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at psg.com]
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 2:39 AM
> >> To: Governance Caucus
> >> Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: IGC Membership list
> >>
> >>
> >> On 28 Jun 2008, at 10:43, William Drake wrote:
> >>
> >>> especially since we don't
> >>> even seem to have a list of people who subscribed to it then.
> >>
> >> we do.  the coordinators of the caucus have the list of those who
> >> voted in the charter vote and those who voted in the first election.
> >> at least i think they do, i sent it to them in any case.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Parminder is simply asking who considers themselves to be in the
> >>> caucus. I can't fathom how that violates the charter.   And if we
> >>> cannot bring ourselves to say who is in a group, I don't think we
> >>> should pretend that the group exists.
> >>
> >>
> >> there is nothing wrong with that.
> >>
> >> what i believe is counter the charter is that he will only sending
> >> ballots to those who respond to this message.
> >>
> >> he could send out requests for people to sign the charter every
> >> month,
> >> the charter says nothing about that - so he is free to do so whenever
> >> he wishes in this respect - as long as his co-coordinator agrees.
> >>
> >> what it does say is that a ballot goes to every individual on the
> >> list
> >> - and it is at the point of voting that they need to declare that at
> >> that moment they see themselves as supporting the charter.
> >>
> >> i would argue that even having signed the charter before the vote,
> >> does not obviate the need to indicate that by voting they are
> >> claiming
> >> to support it.  i mean it is possible that someone signs it one day
> >> because they  they support what they understand it to say and then
> >> the
> >> next day find out it means something completely other then that and
> >> find that they can no longer support it.  it could happen.
> >>
> >> a.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> a.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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