[governance] Issues concerning standing IGC members

[Jeffrey A. Williams]

Carlos and all,

  First, the IGC is not a bank, nor anything like a Bank and is not
bound by privacy protections that Banks and financial institutions
are in protecting personal and private information of their customers.

  Second if verification is what is desired, methods already exist to
do such verification that do not include Postal addresses or Postal
services, good or bad, or unreliable as that situation in some countries,
and even in my country, exist, and remain persistently unreliable.
However these verification methods are expensive to effect and
may require a court filing in some locations.

Carlos Afonso wrote:

> Amazing... OK, let us be logical, like the numerical analysys textbooks.
>
> Someone please tell CPSR (I understand Katz is talking in their name)
> that people have not enrolled using completely verified identities of
> real people, like banks do when issuing us a credit card or certifying
> companies do when issuing us an e-certificate. All we have to identify
> the people on this list is an email associated with the name the email
> holder has given us. There is no documentary evidence on record even to
> prove the name is the real name of the real person reading that email.
> This is the universe of ID information we are dealing with and against
> which we have to proceed with authentication.
>
> I understand computer professionals should be able to understand basic
> theory which says a logical construct is based on hypotheses, on
> "givens" which are set by common sense or arbitrarily etc. Our "given"
> is this: we have a list of names and uni-univocally associated emails.
> We do not know the associated person's address, we do not know ifjust
> one person uses a given email or several persons take turns to
> participate with the same email, or even if the person represents what
> s/he says s/he represents. All we have as formal "given" is that a pair
> (email,name) posts messages in an electronic list (by the way, running
> *insecurely* by CPSR -- so much for coherence).
>
> In this logical scenario, printing a paper confirming an email has
> arrived to a destination and sending it through the post office network
> is a trivial lemma...
>
> It is really amazing: we (CPSR included) take for granted everything the
> pair (email,name) (the only identification info we formally have) writes
> in this insecure list, but it seems CPSR does not take for granted the
> message this pair sends to a secure e-voting system.
>
> Shoddy logic...
>
> --c.a.
>
> Yehuda Katz wrote:
> > On the contrary Rony,
> >
> > I look at a 'verified-by-post' Membership, as strengthening this organization.
> > Because its Populous has been verified.
> > It is quintessential, because a valid Vote ... is a central key to democracy.
> >
> > I am somewhat applauded at the opinion of my Countertarians.
> > According to them, all that is required is an email-address, essentially.
> >
> > To my way of thinking it creates a false-sense-of-security,
> > and for an organization that bills itself as "Computer Professionals for Social
> > Responsibility" it makes the motto into a oxymoronic hypocrisy.
> >
> > I only set-out to strengthen this organization,
> > Be that as it may, the path is chosen by You.
> >
> > So the question is:
> >
> > What can be done to strengthen this Organization?
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