[governance] Re: [IGP-ANNOUNCE] IGP Alert: Reforming ICANN Oversight: A Historic Opportunity

[Parminder]

Suresh

 

> There's no meaningful consensus likely to be achieved, especially with
politically charged proposals

 

But before we explore what CAN happen, the issue is what are OUR political
views on this matter. Which way WE want it to go. 

 

> DoC isn't going to give up oversight, no matter what kind of pipe dream
proposals emanate from IGF, IGP etc

 

The prior issue still remains whether you/ we are a part of that
'pipe-dream' or not. Are you happy with DoC's oversight ? Lets state our
political priorities upfront rather than put up the smokescreen of what may
or may not 'practically' happen. (That's often the obvious viewpoint/
strategy of those happy with the status quo.) And if we don't have any
political views on this matter at all let that be stated too.

 

Civil society advocacy is having political views and fighting for them. do
you think developed countries are going to increase development aid to close
to 1 percent of their GDP, are they going to agree to development-friendly
trade policy, will they allow public domain to proliferate in face of
IP-fueled economic growth plans, would they accept disproportionate (fairly
so) emission control norms for themselves........

 

So, why is civil society ever even bothering with these issue or pipe
dreams.. You are an Indian, what would you have thought of all efforts of
freedom fighters in early decades of the last century. pipe dreams?

 

So before we speak about what may happen lets know what do you/ we want..
And if we just don't bother say that as well.

 

When you speak of 'extraordinarily vocal sections of civ soc' I do not know
whom do you speak of and why would you want them to be less vocal. I thought
IGC tries to provide space and possibilities for a greater voice for civil
society. Or do you mean ONLY some sections of CS are 'extra-ordinarily'
vocal, in that case which are these sections of the CS whose voice you think
gets suppressed in the process, and which you may want to promote. 

 

So, in the context of the present thread of discussion, it is isn't enough
to make the observation 'there isn't any IGF'. We need also to state if we
really want any IGF as such, and if so what IGF. 

 

Parminder 

 

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From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [mailto:suresh at hserus.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:39 PM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; 'Parminder'; 'Milton L Mueller'; 'Jeremy
Malcolm'
Subject: RE: [governance] Re: [IGP-ANNOUNCE] IGP Alert: Reforming ICANN
Oversight: A Historic Opportunity

 

There isn't any "IGF" as such - only some extraordinarily vocal sections of
civ soc, some sections of government (which may be a bit different, in some
cases, from the GAC regulars), some industry etc.  Yes there'd be a
substantial cross section of these that are active in ICANN, but ..

 

1.       There's no meaningful consensus likely to be achieved, especially
with politically charged proposals

2.       DoC isn't going to give up oversight, no matter what kind of pipe
dream proposals emanate from IGF, IGP etc

 

 

From: Parminder [mailto:parminder at itforchange.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:03 PM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; 'Milton L Mueller'; 'Jeremy Malcolm'
Subject: RE: [governance] Re: [IGP-ANNOUNCE] IGP Alert: Reforming ICANN
Oversight: A Historic Opportunity

 

So which is this IGF that wont like an ICANN accountable to it.... and why
?????

This is a set of probing questions. And if Jeremy's observation be true,
would it not signify a captured institution. I am not jumping to any
conclusions (as yet) but drawing implications from some elements of this
discussion, which probably will provoke more debate in this important area.

 

Parminder 

 

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