[governance] REAL net neutrality in now a hope!

Wed Dec 17 07:14:32 EST 2008

Hello Danny,

whout root do you suggest?

My clients need the "XN--55QX5D", "XN--FIQS8S" and "XN--IO0A7I" TLDs
because they don't know the us-subset of the the roman letters.

Apropos Karl does not sell a root - so what is he selling that is broken?

On the other hand I have seen that the californian golf club - a nonprofit?
is making a lot of money. Whom do they obey? Whom do they pay taxes?

At least the "XN--55QX5D", "XN--FIQS8S" and "XN--IO0A7I" are run by a
government you can predict and they do talk to the ITU.

Kind regards
Peter

Danny Younger wrote:
> Karl,
> 
> You have an interest in promoting a useless product (alt. root TLDs) that can't be found by the common Internet user utilizing any of the standard search engines.   As a businessman, you are pushing what amounts to defective merchandise.  OK.  I get that.  Your motive is clear.  Good luck with your endeavor.
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Karl E. Peters <kpeters at tldainc.org> wrote:
> 
>> From: Karl E. Peters <kpeters at tldainc.org>
>> Subject: RE: [governance] REAL net neutrality in now a hope!
>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Danny Younger" <dannyyounger at yahoo.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 4:00 PM
>> Mr. Younger,
>>     As of the first month of .com, it is unlikely it made
>> its full complement either!  For a real record of the
>> ultimate success of the original .biz, contact Leah Gallegos
>> at jandl at jandl.com and ask her to release her final numbers.
>> I don't think it was more than a few thousand, but that
>> was more than enough to sustain the business model as
>> profitable. That it made less with no publicity than the new
>> one did for ICANN justify its theft? Does that not make you
>> wonder how much money is wasted in running the ICANN root,
>> when she was making money at that level?
>>     Furthermore, does it justify creating colliders in the
>> internet without even discussing the possibility of a
>> peaceful negotiated settlement before awarding what they did
>> not own to someone who promised them a good return and paid
>> ridiculous fees just to get it? Your argument is a good try,
>> but falls flat on the underlying problem of net neutrality
>> as it relates to ICANN.
>>
>> -Karl E. Peters, President
>> Top Level Domain Association, Inc.
>>
>>
>>    -------- Original Message --------
>>  Subject: Re: [governance] REAL net neutrality in now a
>> hope!
>>  From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger at yahoo.com>
>>  Date: Tue, December 16, 2008 2:53 pm
>>  To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>>  
>>  For an unbiased review of the "success" of .biz
>> at the Atlantic Root Network see Ben Edelman's analysis
>> at
>> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/archived_content/people/edelman/dotbiz/
>>  
>>  An example: "As of November 15, 2000, only 5
>> registrants had registered any SLDs at all in ARNI's
>> .BIZ TLD."
>>  
>>  
>>  --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Karl E. Peters
>> <kpeters at tldainc.org> wrote:
>>  
>>  > From: Karl E. Peters <kpeters at tldainc.org>
>>  > Subject: [governance] REAL net neutrality in now a
>> hope!
>>  > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>>  > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 2:14 PM
>>  > <div id=yiv1801668660><html><span
>>  >
>> style="font-family:Verdana;color:#000000;font-size:10pt;"><font
>>  > style="background-color:rgb(102, 255,
>>  > 255);"><br>Quoted on and from the
>> Governance
>>  > list:<br>"Net neutrality
>>  > laws are necessary to ensure that Internet service
>>  > providers do not
>>  > block content they disagree with or give financial
>> breaks
>>  > to big tech
>>  > companies, squeezing out smaller competitors and
>> stifling
>>  > innovation".</font><br><br>   
>>  > I must agree with the author of the above quote!!!
>> <font
>>  >
>> style="font-style:italic;text-decoration:underline;">(And
>>  > may it begin at home, with
>> ICANN!!!)</font><br
>>  >
>> style="font-style:italic;text-decoration:underline;"><br>
>>   
>>  > ICANN is the world's largest and grandest
>> offender of
>>  > these very net neutrality ideals when it ignored (and
>>  > continues to ignore) the original plan that the
>>  > "alternate roots" would serve as a testbed
>> for the
>>  > introduction of new TLDs into the "legacy
>> root",
>>  > now administered by ICANN.  ICANN then goes with the
>>  > big spenders it hopes to gain benefit from in
>> awarding
>>  > ".biz" away from its successful operator of
>> that
>>  > day, the Atlantic Root Network. (There is more than
>> adequate
>>  > proof of the existance of this .biz in carefully kept
>>  > archives, if anyone cares to challenge!)
>>  > <br>    <br>   
>>  > While ICANN may claim it was unaware of our .biz,
>> surely
>>  > they heard of Leah Gallegos' testimony before the
>> U.S.
>>  > Congress on the matter! Surely they knew they were
>> creating
>>  > a monstrous internet naming collision by proposing a
>> second
>>  > registry for the same TLD! They simply did not care,
>> because
>>  > they were expecting big income from the new .biz just
>> as
>>  > they expect and recieve from the carefully protected
>> Network
>>  > Solutuions and a few other of their friends. Leah
>> finally
>>  > curtailed the orgininal .biz in the interest of
>> internet
>>  > stability, sacrificing her successful business for
>> the
>>  > smooth operation of the very internet ICANN is
>> charged with
>>  > protecting! <br><br>    Perhaps
>>  > ICANN lacked the technical ability to search the
>> internet to
>>  > see what TLDs were already in operation when they
>> went to
>>  > create new ones? Was it technical ignorance or simple
>>  > financial greed that led to that horrible precedent
>> in
>>  > internet piracy? It had to be one or the other! Which
>> was
>>  > it? <br><br>    Since the TLDA,
>>  > in conjuction with the Public-Root, is set to publish
>> its
>>  > first TapRoot, a listing of all operational TLDs on
>> any
>>  > root, anywhere in the world on practically zero
>> budget, I
>>  > dare say it must have been pure greed alone. Had they
>> put
>>  > out the question for existing TLDs, a chorus of
>>  > confirmations would have been returned. No nquestions
>> would
>>  > have remained. Deals could have been struck with
>> existing
>>  > TLD managers to include them in ICANN's root; but
>> ICANN
>>  > never even asked. <br><br>   
>>  > ICANN wanted no proof for which to feel guilty. They
>> just
>>  > wanted another revenue stream from someone who would
>> owe
>>  > them a favor, and they got it. The Atlantic Root
>>  > Nework's TLDs were perfectly operational on at
>> least one
>>  > root server system and often more than one (through
>>  > something called cooperation) and had <font
>>  >
>> style="font-weight:bold;">many</font>
>>  > happy SLD holders through a perfectly functional
>> Registry
>>  > system. The only difference: . . . we didn't owe
>> them
>>  > anything, and were proving that what ICANN does is
>> very
>>  > easily and cheaply duplicated. Such a model was
>> dangerous to
>>  > the big money schemes that US Government nods kept
>> allowing
>>  > ICANN to get away with, appearing to have some
>> special
>>  > ability the rest of the world lacked to run an
>>  > internet.  <br><br>    Now
>>  > ICANN is pulling away from the US Government auspices
>>  > entirely and can be tried more easily for their
>> offenses.
>>  > Perhaps the splintering of today's ICANN will
>> finally
>>  > allow for true Net Neutrality after all these
>>  > years!<br><br>    Internet
>>  > governance will become a little more work and a
>> little less
>>  > rubber-stamping, but the world will benefit greatly.
>> We, the
>>  > TLDA stand ready to do our part to assist in the
>>  > transition.<br><br>Sincerely
>>  > yours,<br>Karl E. Peters,
>> President<br>Top-Level
>>  > Domain Association, Inc.<br>USA  (912) 638-1638
>>  > <br><br>P.S. I will make the first draft
>> of the
>>  > TapRoot available on our webiste very soon and a copy
>> may be
>>  > had by anyone requesting it at no charge, even ICANN!
>> Write
>>  > me if you would like to see what is going on outside
>> the
>>  > gates.<br></span></html> 
>>  >
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