[governance] REAL net neutrality in now a hope!
Danny Younger
dannyyounger at yahoo.com
Wed Dec 17 20:18:15 EST 2008
Hello Peter,
I wouldn't have such a problem with alt roots if they could actually be readily found by the bulk of the populace.
That said, the adage "different strokes for different folks" would seem to be appropriate. Most of the world tends to prefer TLDs that are actually visible to most of the world (which is not the case for the vast bulk of alt.root TLDs)... but apparently you and your clients have a different set of preferences (which is OK; after all, it is a big world).
Yes, the non-ASCII needs that you have highlighted admittedly have not yet been fully accommodated by the legacy root, but I suspect that given the planned upcoming rollout of IDN ccTLDs and IDN gTLDs, this too will change in the near term... and when they are added to the Root, my guess is that we will indeed be able to use the Search Engines to find content in those IDN TLDs (while we still won't be able to search for content within the TLDs managed by the alternate root community).
In the long run the legacy root will offer the world the utility that its citizens will require; I don't see other root communities as being able to make the same claim, but that's just my view.
best regards,
Danny
--- On Wed, 12/17/08, Peter Dambier <peter at peter-dambier.de> wrote:
> From: Peter Dambier <peter at peter-dambier.de>
> Subject: Re: [governance] REAL net neutrality in now a hope!
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 7:14 AM
> Hello Danny,
>
> whout root do you suggest?
>
> My clients need the "XN--55QX5D",
> "XN--FIQS8S" and "XN--IO0A7I" TLDs
> because they don't know the us-subset of the the roman
> letters.
>
> Apropos Karl does not sell a root - so what is he selling
> that is broken?
>
> On the other hand I have seen that the californian golf
> club - a nonprofit?
> is making a lot of money. Whom do they obey? Whom do they
> pay taxes?
>
> At least the "XN--55QX5D", "XN--FIQS8S"
> and "XN--IO0A7I" are run by a
> government you can predict and they do talk to the ITU.
>
> Kind regards
> Peter
>
>
> Danny Younger wrote:
> > Karl,
> >
> > You have an interest in promoting a useless product
> (alt. root TLDs) that can't be found by the common
> Internet user utilizing any of the standard search engines.
> As a businessman, you are pushing what amounts to defective
> merchandise. OK. I get that. Your motive is clear. Good
> luck with your endeavor.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Karl E. Peters
> <kpeters at tldainc.org> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Karl E. Peters <kpeters at tldainc.org>
> >> Subject: RE: [governance] REAL net neutrality in
> now a hope!
> >> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Danny
> Younger" <dannyyounger at yahoo.com>
> >> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 4:00 PM
> >> Mr. Younger,
> >> As of the first month of .com, it is unlikely
> it made
> >> its full complement either! For a real record of
> the
> >> ultimate success of the original .biz, contact
> Leah Gallegos
> >> at jandl at jandl.com and ask her to release her
> final numbers.
> >> I don't think it was more than a few thousand,
> but that
> >> was more than enough to sustain the business model
> as
> >> profitable. That it made less with no publicity
> than the new
> >> one did for ICANN justify its theft? Does that not
> make you
> >> wonder how much money is wasted in running the
> ICANN root,
> >> when she was making money at that level?
> >> Furthermore, does it justify creating
> colliders in the
> >> internet without even discussing the possibility
> of a
> >> peaceful negotiated settlement before awarding
> what they did
> >> not own to someone who promised them a good return
> and paid
> >> ridiculous fees just to get it? Your argument is a
> good try,
> >> but falls flat on the underlying problem of net
> neutrality
> >> as it relates to ICANN.
> >>
> >> -Karl E. Peters, President
> >> Top Level Domain Association, Inc.
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: Re: [governance] REAL net neutrality in
> now a
> >> hope!
> >> From: Danny Younger
> <dannyyounger at yahoo.com>
> >> Date: Tue, December 16, 2008 2:53 pm
> >> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> >>
> >> For an unbiased review of the "success"
> of .biz
> >> at the Atlantic Root Network see Ben Edelman's
> analysis
> >> at
> >>
> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/archived_content/people/edelman/dotbiz/
> >>
> >> An example: "As of November 15, 2000, only 5
> >> registrants had registered any SLDs at all in
> ARNI's
> >> .BIZ TLD."
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Karl E. Peters
> >> <kpeters at tldainc.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > From: Karl E. Peters
> <kpeters at tldainc.org>
> >> > Subject: [governance] REAL net neutrality in
> now a
> >> hope!
> >> > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> >> > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 2:14 PM
> >> > <div
> id=yiv1801668660><html><span
> >> >
> >>
> style="font-family:Verdana;color:#000000;font-size:10pt;"><font
> >> > style="background-color:rgb(102, 255,
> >> > 255);"><br>Quoted on and from
> the
> >> Governance
> >> > list:<br>"Net neutrality
> >> > laws are necessary to ensure that Internet
> service
> >> > providers do not
> >> > block content they disagree with or give
> financial
> >> breaks
> >> > to big tech
> >> > companies, squeezing out smaller competitors
> and
> >> stifling
> >> >
> innovation".</font><br><br>
> >> > I must agree with the author of the above
> quote!!!
> >> <font
> >> >
> >>
> style="font-style:italic;text-decoration:underline;">(And
> >> > may it begin at home, with
> >> ICANN!!!)</font><br
> >> >
> >>
> style="font-style:italic;text-decoration:underline;"><br>
> >>
> >> > ICANN is the world's largest and
> grandest
> >> offender of
> >> > these very net neutrality ideals when it
> ignored (and
> >> > continues to ignore) the original plan that
> the
> >> > "alternate roots" would serve as a
> testbed
> >> for the
> >> > introduction of new TLDs into the
> "legacy
> >> root",
> >> > now administered by ICANN. ICANN then goes
> with the
> >> > big spenders it hopes to gain benefit from
> in
> >> awarding
> >> > ".biz" away from its successful
> operator of
> >> that
> >> > day, the Atlantic Root Network. (There is
> more than
> >> adequate
> >> > proof of the existance of this .biz in
> carefully kept
> >> > archives, if anyone cares to challenge!)
> >> > <br> <br>
> >> > While ICANN may claim it was unaware of our
> .biz,
> >> surely
> >> > they heard of Leah Gallegos' testimony
> before the
> >> U.S.
> >> > Congress on the matter! Surely they knew
> they were
> >> creating
> >> > a monstrous internet naming collision by
> proposing a
> >> second
> >> > registry for the same TLD! They simply did
> not care,
> >> because
> >> > they were expecting big income from the new
> .biz just
> >> as
> >> > they expect and recieve from the carefully
> protected
> >> Network
> >> > Solutuions and a few other of their friends.
> Leah
> >> finally
> >> > curtailed the orgininal .biz in the interest
> of
> >> internet
> >> > stability, sacrificing her successful
> business for
> >> the
> >> > smooth operation of the very internet ICANN
> is
> >> charged with
> >> > protecting! <br><br> Perhaps
> >> > ICANN lacked the technical ability to search
> the
> >> internet to
> >> > see what TLDs were already in operation when
> they
> >> went to
> >> > create new ones? Was it technical ignorance
> or simple
> >> > financial greed that led to that horrible
> precedent
> >> in
> >> > internet piracy? It had to be one or the
> other! Which
> >> was
> >> > it? <br><br> Since the TLDA,
> >> > in conjuction with the Public-Root, is set
> to publish
> >> its
> >> > first TapRoot, a listing of all operational
> TLDs on
> >> any
> >> > root, anywhere in the world on practically
> zero
> >> budget, I
> >> > dare say it must have been pure greed alone.
> Had they
> >> put
> >> > out the question for existing TLDs, a chorus
> of
> >> > confirmations would have been returned. No
> nquestions
> >> would
> >> > have remained. Deals could have been struck
> with
> >> existing
> >> > TLD managers to include them in ICANN's
> root; but
> >> ICANN
> >> > never even asked. <br><br>
> >> > ICANN wanted no proof for which to feel
> guilty. They
> >> just
> >> > wanted another revenue stream from someone
> who would
> >> owe
> >> > them a favor, and they got it. The Atlantic
> Root
> >> > Nework's TLDs were perfectly operational
> on at
> >> least one
> >> > root server system and often more than one
> (through
> >> > something called cooperation) and had
> <font
> >> >
> >>
> style="font-weight:bold;">many</font>
> >> > happy SLD holders through a perfectly
> functional
> >> Registry
> >> > system. The only difference: . . . we
> didn't owe
> >> them
> >> > anything, and were proving that what ICANN
> does is
> >> very
> >> > easily and cheaply duplicated. Such a model
> was
> >> dangerous to
> >> > the big money schemes that US Government
> nods kept
> >> allowing
> >> > ICANN to get away with, appearing to have
> some
> >> special
> >> > ability the rest of the world lacked to run
> an
> >> > internet. <br><br> Now
> >> > ICANN is pulling away from the US Government
> auspices
> >> > entirely and can be tried more easily for
> their
> >> offenses.
> >> > Perhaps the splintering of today's ICANN
> will
> >> finally
> >> > allow for true Net Neutrality after all
> these
> >> > years!<br><br> Internet
> >> > governance will become a little more work
> and a
> >> little less
> >> > rubber-stamping, but the world will benefit
> greatly.
> >> We, the
> >> > TLDA stand ready to do our part to assist in
> the
> >> > transition.<br><br>Sincerely
> >> > yours,<br>Karl E. Peters,
> >> President<br>Top-Level
> >> > Domain Association, Inc.<br>USA (912)
> 638-1638
> >> > <br><br>P.S. I will make the
> first draft
> >> of the
> >> > TapRoot available on our webiste very soon
> and a copy
> >> may be
> >> > had by anyone requesting it at no charge,
> even ICANN!
> >> Write
> >> > me if you would like to see what is going on
> outside
> >> the
> >> > gates.<br></span></html>
> >> >
> >>
> </div>____________________________________________________________
> >> > You received this message as a subscriber on
> the
> >> list:
> >> > governance at lists.cpsr.org
> >> > To be removed from the list, send any
> message to:
> >> > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org
> >> >
> >> > For all list information and functions, see:
> >> > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> ____________________________________________________________
> >> You received this message as a subscriber on the
> list:
> >> governance at lists.cpsr.org
> >> To be removed from the list, send any message to:
> >> governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org
> >>
> >> For all list information and functions, see:
> >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ____________________________________________________________
> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
> > governance at lists.cpsr.org
> > To be removed from the list, send any message to:
> > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org
> >
> > For all list information and functions, see:
> > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance
>
> --
> Peter and Karin Dambier
> Cesidian Root - Radice Cesidiana
> Rimbacher Strasse 16
> D-69509 Moerlenbach-Bonsweiher
> +49(6209)795-816 (Telekom)
> +49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de)
> mail: peter at peter-dambier.de
> http://www.peter-dambier.de/
> http://iason.site.voila.fr/
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/
> ULA= fd80:4ce1:c66a::/48
> ____________________________________________________________
> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
> governance at lists.cpsr.org
> To be removed from the list, send any message to:
> governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org
>
> For all list information and functions, see:
> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance
____________________________________________________________
You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
governance at lists.cpsr.org
To be removed from the list, send any message to:
governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org
For all list information and functions, see:
http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance
More information about the Governance
mailing list