[governance] REAL net neutrality in now a hope!

Danny Younger dannyyounger at yahoo.com
Tue Dec 16 16:26:40 EST 2008 

Karl,

You have an interest in promoting a useless product (alt. root TLDs) that can't be found by the common Internet user utilizing any of the standard search engines.   As a businessman, you are pushing what amounts to defective merchandise.  OK.  I get that.  Your motive is clear.  Good luck with your endeavor.



--- On Tue, 12/16/08, Karl E. Peters <kpeters at tldainc.org> wrote:

> From: Karl E. Peters <kpeters at tldainc.org>
> Subject: RE: [governance] REAL net neutrality in now a hope!
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Danny Younger" <dannyyounger at yahoo.com>
> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 4:00 PM
> Mr. Younger,
>     As of the first month of .com, it is unlikely it made
> its full complement either!  For a real record of the
> ultimate success of the original .biz, contact Leah Gallegos
> at jandl at jandl.com and ask her to release her final numbers.
> I don't think it was more than a few thousand, but that
> was more than enough to sustain the business model as
> profitable. That it made less with no publicity than the new
> one did for ICANN justify its theft? Does that not make you
> wonder how much money is wasted in running the ICANN root,
> when she was making money at that level?
>     Furthermore, does it justify creating colliders in the
> internet without even discussing the possibility of a
> peaceful negotiated settlement before awarding what they did
> not own to someone who promised them a good return and paid
> ridiculous fees just to get it? Your argument is a good try,
> but falls flat on the underlying problem of net neutrality
> as it relates to ICANN.
> 
> -Karl E. Peters, President
> Top Level Domain Association, Inc.
> 
> 
>    -------- Original Message --------
>  Subject: Re: [governance] REAL net neutrality in now a
> hope!
>  From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger at yahoo.com>
>  Date: Tue, December 16, 2008 2:53 pm
>  To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>  
>  For an unbiased review of the "success" of .biz
> at the Atlantic Root Network see Ben Edelman's analysis
> at
> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/archived_content/people/edelman/dotbiz/
>  
>  An example: "As of November 15, 2000, only 5
> registrants had registered any SLDs at all in ARNI's
> .BIZ TLD."
>  
>  
>  --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Karl E. Peters
> <kpeters at tldainc.org> wrote:
>  
>  > From: Karl E. Peters <kpeters at tldainc.org>
>  > Subject: [governance] REAL net neutrality in now a
> hope!
>  > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>  > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 2:14 PM
>  > <div id=yiv1801668660><html><span
>  >
> style="font-family:Verdana;color:#000000;font-size:10pt;"><font
>  > style="background-color:rgb(102, 255,
>  > 255);"><br>Quoted on and from the
> Governance
>  > list:<br>"Net neutrality
>  > laws are necessary to ensure that Internet service
>  > providers do not
>  > block content they disagree with or give financial
> breaks
>  > to big tech
>  > companies, squeezing out smaller competitors and
> stifling
>  > innovation".</font><br><br>   
>  > I must agree with the author of the above quote!!!
> <font
>  >
> style="font-style:italic;text-decoration:underline;">(And
>  > may it begin at home, with
> ICANN!!!)</font><br
>  >
> style="font-style:italic;text-decoration:underline;"><br>
>   
>  > ICANN is the world's largest and grandest
> offender of
>  > these very net neutrality ideals when it ignored (and
>  > continues to ignore) the original plan that the
>  > "alternate roots" would serve as a testbed
> for the
>  > introduction of new TLDs into the "legacy
> root",
>  > now administered by ICANN.  ICANN then goes with the
>  > big spenders it hopes to gain benefit from in
> awarding
>  > ".biz" away from its successful operator of
> that
>  > day, the Atlantic Root Network. (There is more than
> adequate
>  > proof of the existance of this .biz in carefully kept
>  > archives, if anyone cares to challenge!)
>  > <br>    <br>   
>  > While ICANN may claim it was unaware of our .biz,
> surely
>  > they heard of Leah Gallegos' testimony before the
> U.S.
>  > Congress on the matter! Surely they knew they were
> creating
>  > a monstrous internet naming collision by proposing a
> second
>  > registry for the same TLD! They simply did not care,
> because
>  > they were expecting big income from the new .biz just
> as
>  > they expect and recieve from the carefully protected
> Network
>  > Solutuions and a few other of their friends. Leah
> finally
>  > curtailed the orgininal .biz in the interest of
> internet
>  > stability, sacrificing her successful business for
> the
>  > smooth operation of the very internet ICANN is
> charged with
>  > protecting! <br><br>    Perhaps
>  > ICANN lacked the technical ability to search the
> internet to
>  > see what TLDs were already in operation when they
> went to
>  > create new ones? Was it technical ignorance or simple
>  > financial greed that led to that horrible precedent
> in
>  > internet piracy? It had to be one or the other! Which
> was
>  > it? <br><br>    Since the TLDA,
>  > in conjuction with the Public-Root, is set to publish
> its
>  > first TapRoot, a listing of all operational TLDs on
> any
>  > root, anywhere in the world on practically zero
> budget, I
>  > dare say it must have been pure greed alone. Had they
> put
>  > out the question for existing TLDs, a chorus of
>  > confirmations would have been returned. No nquestions
> would
>  > have remained. Deals could have been struck with
> existing
>  > TLD managers to include them in ICANN's root; but
> ICANN
>  > never even asked. <br><br>   
>  > ICANN wanted no proof for which to feel guilty. They
> just
>  > wanted another revenue stream from someone who would
> owe
>  > them a favor, and they got it. The Atlantic Root
>  > Nework's TLDs were perfectly operational on at
> least one
>  > root server system and often more than one (through
>  > something called cooperation) and had <font
>  >
> style="font-weight:bold;">many</font>
>  > happy SLD holders through a perfectly functional
> Registry
>  > system. The only difference: . . . we didn't owe
> them
>  > anything, and were proving that what ICANN does is
> very
>  > easily and cheaply duplicated. Such a model was
> dangerous to
>  > the big money schemes that US Government nods kept
> allowing
>  > ICANN to get away with, appearing to have some
> special
>  > ability the rest of the world lacked to run an
>  > internet.  <br><br>    Now
>  > ICANN is pulling away from the US Government auspices
>  > entirely and can be tried more easily for their
> offenses.
>  > Perhaps the splintering of today's ICANN will
> finally
>  > allow for true Net Neutrality after all these
>  > years!<br><br>    Internet
>  > governance will become a little more work and a
> little less
>  > rubber-stamping, but the world will benefit greatly.
> We, the
>  > TLDA stand ready to do our part to assist in the
>  > transition.<br><br>Sincerely
>  > yours,<br>Karl E. Peters,
> President<br>Top-Level
>  > Domain Association, Inc.<br>USA  (912) 638-1638
>  > <br><br>P.S. I will make the first draft
> of the
>  > TapRoot available on our webiste very soon and a copy
> may be
>  > had by anyone requesting it at no charge, even ICANN!
> Write
>  > me if you would like to see what is going on outside
> the
>  > gates.<br></span></html> 
>  >
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