[governance] coordinator elections

[Parminder]

Izumi

Izumi

No intention to make things complicated but I understand your dilemma. But I
have to conduct elections and also reply to members queries whether we have
a list of subscribed members.

> Parminder, do you request new members to say if they subscribe to the
> charter and then given the voting right?

All 'new' members were already asked, and I have a separate list of those
who have subscribed.

>Or do you request all members
> do so again even they did before?

Nobody has done any process of 'subscribing' to the charter. There was a
vote on the charter which went 56 - 3, with a quorum of 67 (including votes
rendered invalid for technical reasons). We DONT have a list of those who
voted 'for' the charter.  

Or, Avri, do you suggest that those who
> subscribed the list for more than two months be given the voting right,
> but
> by voting they must be treated as they have subscribed to the charter?
> (To me that seems OK, but I want to confirm).

That what Avri says.  But I don't understand how does by voting one gets
treated as having subscribed to the charter. And what of those who do not
vote because they just do not care to make a choice on co-coordinator issue.
They become/ remain non-members? 

This way we still wont have a members list

Whats wrong with sending an email to all asking if they have read and
subscribe to the charter they cut paste a single line in reply. And on that
basis prepare a members list, which is then the voting list (with 2 month on
the list criteria added).

Is what you are suggesting that we add a line on the ballot - if you vote,
it will be taken that you have read the charter and subscribe to it.. A lot
round about manner of ascertaining the primary criterion of membership per
the charter but that fine, if everyone wants that. And I cant understand
what advantage does it have vis a vis a more direct process I suggested. 

And if we go by it still not have a full membership list. And remember even
last time less people voted in the co-coordinator election than in the
charter process. People often make that choice. And members have asked for
that list, which I don't think is an unfair request.

Lastly, I am asking this purely from a practical point of view. I need to
conduct the elections as per the charter. I will go with whatever veers
towards a consensus position here. 

Parminder 






> -----Original Message-----
> From: izumiaizu at gmail.com [mailto:izumiaizu at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Izumi
> AIZU
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:11 PM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Parminder
> Cc: Avri Doria
> Subject: Re: [governance] coordinator elections
> 
> Sorry, I could not understand what was the real issue having read several
> posts only once. And I don't have too much time to read them twice.
> 
> Could someone explain in a simple and cons ice message what is the
> real issue?
> 
> Parminder, do you request new members to say if they subscribe to the
> charter and then given the voting right? Or do you request all members
> do so again even they did before? Or, Avri, do you suggest that those who
> subscribed the list for more than two months be given the voting right,
> but
> by voting they must be treated as they have subscribed to the charter?
> (To me that seems OK, but I want to confirm).
> 
> Sorry for my ignorance.
> 
> izumi
> 
> 2008/4/23, Parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>:
> >
> >  >
> >  > Hi,
> >  >
> >  > As you know i strongly disagreed with your interpretation when you
> >  > first spoke to me of it a while back.    But you are right, it could
> >  > be seen as a matter of interpretation.  I don't accept your
> >  > interpretation and have stated what i will do, or rather what I will
> >  > not do.
> >  >
> >  > If this means I can't vote, then it means i can't vote.  Over time,
> >  > especially as a US citizen, I have learned to value the vote very
> >  > little and have no personal objection to being disenfranchised in
> this
> >  > case.
> >  >
> >  > a.
> >
> >
> > Avri, I request you not to take such an extreme stand. It is a simple
> and
> >  relatively straightforward organizational matter that we are trying to
> sort
> >  out, and I am sure we will collectively be able to do it.
> >
> >
> >  Parminder
> >
> > >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
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