[governance] rights based approach to the Internet

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

Parminder, why don't you take your social and political issues and apply
them in a context where they would be more appropriate? Such as local ICT
for example - and even there some of them would preferably be replaceable by
actual "on the ground" work rather than long emails.

They require substantial modification before they are even remotely feasible
or make sense in global internet policy issues

I'm not a "close follower"  of McTim, or of Bill Drake. I didn't know McTim
before I joined this list for example.  And while I know Bill Drake, we have
perhaps exchanged at the most a few dozen emails over several years (outside
this list that is), or met briefly at a conference.

It is just that when two entirely different people, different backgrounds
etc, claim that you are showing bad faith in imposing your personal beliefs
and agenda on this group, there's perhaps a bit more truth in there than you
would like to admit.

	suresh


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Parminder [mailto:parminder at itforchange.net]
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:17 PM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; 'McTim'
> Subject: RE: [governance] rights based approach to the Internet
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > > Don't know what you are referring to. Though generally I know McTim
> > keeps
> > > telling me that I should not be speaking that much about IG
> policies etc
> > > because of my inadequate technical knowledge and non-peer-ship with
> > > technical minds and what he calls as technical community. Are you
> > agreeing
> > > with him?
> >
> > This is not even a bad caricature of what I have been expounding,
> it's
> > a plain falsehood.
> >
> > I DO tell you to trim your mails, but you never do.
> >
> > As Bill said, not interested in spending time on conversations not
> > conducted in good faith.
> >
> 
> McTim
> 
> It must take extra-ordinary smugness (the likely reasons for which I
> will
> not expound at this moment) to object to my assertion that you probably
> do
> think that I should speak less about IG polices because of my lack of
> tech
> knowledge, and as such, being a conversation in bad faith exactly 20
> minutes
> after you sent an email to me telling me that I just do not how know
> Internet works and advising me to take a diplo course.
> 
> >I think that you don't really understand how the network grows,
> perhaps the
> >Diplo course will help you.
> 
> And this is not the first time that you and your close follower has
> openly
> pointed to my specific and general ignorance, while you completely fail
> to
> notice that despite both of you at multiple times showing such glaring
> gaps
> in your understanding and knowledge about many basic social and
> political
> issues I, out of good manners, have never pointed to your ignorance and
> suggested any basic course or such.
> 
> So, instead of me taking offence to what you say about my ignorance and
> need
> to take some basic course, you take offence to my mere statement that
> you
> often say such things to me. It is also significant that I only made
> this
> observation in response to Bill extending his logic about how one
> (meaning,
> I) should not speak about people and processes one is not directly
> involved
> with to include something you seemed to have said.
> 
> (BILL) >...views and activities of people you've not talked to,
> processes
> >you weren't involved with, etc. McTim has made the same point re:
> technical
> >and administrative orgs.
> 
> And in fact your email about 'dilpo' course came after the email in
> which I
> said that you think I shd mind my IG opinions because of lack of
> knowledge,
> thereby giving evidence to what I said a few minutes before.
> 
> Parminder
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: McTim [mailto:dogwallah at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:21 PM
> > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> > Subject: Re: [governance] rights based approach to the Internet
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
> > wrote:
> > <snip>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >McTim has made the same point re: technical and administrative
> orgs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't know what you are referring to. Though generally I know McTim
> > keeps
> > > telling me that I should not be speaking that much about IG
> policies etc
> > > because of my inadequate technical knowledge and non-peer-ship with
> > > technical minds and what he calls as technical community. Are you
> > agreeing
> > > with him?
> >
> > This is not even a bad caricature of what I have been expounding,
> it's
> > a plain falsehood.
> >
> > I DO tell you to trim your mails, but you never do.
> >
> > As Bill said, not interested in spending time on conversations not
> > conducted in good faith.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >
> > McTim
> > $ whois -h whois.afrinic.net mctim
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