[governance] tick, tick, tick...

Mon Sep 10 13:26:28 EDT 2007

Hallo everyone

Parminder's message raises two main points:

- putting caucus coordinators forward as speakers

- the changes to the access theme text on the agenda

I want to respond to the latter.  I agree strongly with
Parminder that diverse approaches to business models
that address the access gap are important.  In fact, APC's
input to the access theme some time ago stressed this
and I also remember you making this input to the list
Adam.

Personally I would not use the term 'alternative' business
models, but rather refer to diverse models.  And the
respective roles of public versus private financing, and
various combinations of both, is really important and often
neglegted.

And, looking at community, and user driven models of
ownership and control is absolutely essential if we want to
get beyond the perpetual polarity between state or
business centred models.

We definitely need a speaker that can address this issue
creatively.

Anriette

>
> Adam
>
> >and I think best
> > if the caucus coordinators also didn't
> > participate as panelists, that's also been a bit
> > of a tradition.
>
> I have no idea about this tradition. How and when was it established?
> And to keep me informed, please also let me know of all others
> traditions associated with coordinator-ship - like being members of
> officially empowered committees and working groups where they speak
> for themselves, and of holding positions in important IG institutions
> which themselves are often important subjects of discussion etc etc
> :-)
>
> Abstinence of MAG members is entirely another matter because they are
> supposed to choose speakers, and this rule has self-evident
> justification, and applies in every nomcom.
>
> I am not too eager to be a speaker, except for the fact that it is my
> organization that suggested the agenda of 'alternative business models
> for access' and 'public and private finance for access' in the access
> theme which were on the agenda till this latest draft. And its removal
> without assigning any reason is most objectionable, and ideologically
> motivated, compromising the neutrality of whoever decides these
> issues. I want to make sure that the access panel just doesn´t
> one-sidedly parrot the neo-liberal line of telecom, as it is obviously
> the intention of some powerful parties. Removal of these issues is
> even more unjustifiable because they are from the language adopted by
> WSIS. So much for upholding WSIS principles. Obviously, what are
> useful WSIS principles and what are not, is itself decided by some
> people on their own.
>
> I am in contact with a few experts in the area of community based/
> owned access models (on which UNDP is doing a lot of work), but still
> not sure if they will attend (such is the dominant scene at the IGF).
> I am trying my best to get them over and suggest them as speakers in
> the access panel... If that doesn´t happen, I am fine to make a
> general appeal to anyone who will be at IGF and be willing to speak on
> this issue. If not, I would step up and offer myself as a speaker for
> the access panel.
>
> Incidentally, while we are on the subject can I inquire of you, as a
> CS member of MAG, (and of others on the list) what criterion is used
> to remove such perfectly balanced agenda items as have been removed
> from the 'access' agenda theme? Was there any opposition? What is your
> personal opinion on this? Or is access important only as promotion of
> telecom market models of MNCs, and alternative do not count, even as
> an item for discussion? Or is such 'hair-splitting' in the area of
> 'access' just not important, and access topic is good only to be used
> as a counterfoil to CIR issue?
>
> Since you have freely suggested traditions for co-coordinators, I
> think it will also be good to set up traditions of IGC nominated MAG
> members replying to questions on IGC list that relate directly to
> their MAG work.
>
> Best
>
> Parminder
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________
> Parminder Jeet Singh
> IT for Change, Bangalore
> Bridging Development Realities and Technological Possibilities
> Tel: (+91-80) 2665 4134, 2653 6890
> Fax: (+91-80) 4146 1055
> www.ITforChange.net
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Adam Peake [mailto:ajp at glocom.ac.jp]
> > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:24 PM
> > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> > Subject: Re: [governance] tick, tick, tick...
> >
> > I agree with this suggestion.  It's a waste of
> > time to suggest people not knowing if they will
> > be in Rio or not.
> >
> > Also, the overall theme is development, people
> > from developing nations a big plus.
> >
> > Last year there was something of an unwritten
> > rule that advisory group members wouldn't join
> > panels (only one did I think), and I think best
> > if the caucus coordinators also didn't
> > participate as panelists, that's also been a bit
> > of a tradition.
> >
> > Parminder, have you and Vittorio spoken with
> > Markus about how he expects speakers to be
> > selected once the names are in?  And could you
> > also ask him about the opening ceremony -- it's
> > currently shown as a 2.5 hour session, how many
> > CS speakers will be required, and specific
> > topics?  I have asked him, but better coming from
> > the caucus.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> > At 12:14 PM +0200 9/10/07, Bertrand de La Chapelle wrote:
> > >Dear all,
> > >
> > >May I repeat the suggestion that speakers
> > >participating in workshops be considered in a
> > >first round : we are sure they will be there and
> > >they will be harder to oppose.
> > >
> > >Workshop organizers in each track could be
> > >invited to suggest names, to alleviate the
> > >burden of Parminder and Vittorio, as well as
> > >provide some transparency in the process.
> > >
> > >Best
> > >
> > >Bertrand
> > >
> > >On 9/10/07, Parminder
> > ><<mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>parminder at itforchange.net>
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >  > I keep hoping the list will get back to its day job of, say,
> > discussing
> > >>  whom might be recommended by the CS community to speak to which
> > >>  topic at IGF.
> > >>
> > >
> > >Thanks Lee, Vittorio and I are conferring on it, and will come out
> > >with a scheme for this within the next 24 hours.
> > >
> > >Parminder
> > >
> > >________________________________________________
> > >Parminder Jeet Singh
> > >IT for Change, Bangalore
> > >Bridging Development Realities and Technological Possibilities Tel:
> > >(+91-80) 2665 4134, 2653 6890 Fax: (+91-80) 4146 1055
> > ><http://www.ITforChange.net>www.ITforChange.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >____________________
> > >Bertrand de La Chapelle
> > >
> > >Tel : +33 (0)6 11 88 33 32
> > >
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