[governance] Innovation

[Alejandro Pisanty]

Meryem,

at this level of discourse it is proper that you go back to your Minitel. 
A nice, closed, government-controlled/guaranteed environment in which you 
do not need to be confronted with an opinion that varies from the one you 
hold, no need for open standards, no need for people of diverse views to 
come together and actually build something that works; just wait for the 
providers to do it for you. A neat, Cartesian, "clean, well-lighted 
place" (horrible things happened outside it but never mind.) Having vented 
off:

We now know the many flaws you recognize in ICANN. To the best of what I 
can gather, many of the flaws you see derive from a lack of working 
knowledge of the organization and its evolution and are strongly tinted by 
prejudice. It is your privilege to say they aren't. So, exercise:

What do you recognize in ICANN that is positive?

Yours,

Alejandro Pisanty

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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Meryem Marzouki wrote:

> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:29:56 +0100
> From: Meryem Marzouki <marzouki at ras.eu.org>
> Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, Meryem Marzouki <marzouki at ras.eu.org>
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Subject: Re: [governance] Innovation
> 
>
> Le 27 nov. 07 à 20:13, Alejandro Pisanty a écrit :
>
>> Meryem,
>> 
>> this:
>> 
>>> (NB. I do understand why people/organizations that currently benefit from 
>>> ICANN in one way or another want to keep their privileges. What about 
>>> others?)
>> 
>> is really the core of your argument, isn't it?
>
> No. I was not making an argument in this message actually. I was asking a 
> question.
>
>> You do not see a benefit in increased competition, gradual introduction of 
>> new gTLDs, increased coordination between the gTLD and the ccTLD space, a 
>> framework for a level of cooperation among RIRs not provided by the NRO, 
>> and between the different subsystems for the subset of critical Internet 
>> resources in this specific mandate, operation of the IANA function with 
>> respect to gTLDs, ccTLDs, protocol parameters, IPv4 and IPv6 addresses, 
>> gTLD data escrow to protect consumers from registry/ar breakdown's fallout, 
>> IDNs in the root, presence of technical, business, academic and civil 
>> society from the developing world which is not mediated or impeded by their 
>> governments, etc. etc. etc.
>
> Wow! God bless ICANN. Without it, we cannot have all this, then? And before 
> it was set up, we couldn't even dream of all this, right? I wont even comment 
> on your last sentence, and what it reveals ("developing world governments can 
> only *impede* the presence of their technical, business, academic and civil 
> society"). Simply agree with you that the introduction of new gTLDs is *very* 
> gradual..
>
>> Then your argument is that the hard-working Vittorios, Avris, Brets, 
>> Jacquelines, and so many others involved in the ALAC, and all others who 
>> actually make the system run, are only doing it to defend "privileges"?
>
> Et voila.. I ask "what about others?", and that's the only way you've found 
> to answer? It would probably better if you don't answer instead of the 
> concerned persons, BTW.
>
>> Or do you include among "those who benefit from ICANN" the many businesses, 
>> social organizations, and individuals who benefit from what is described 
>> three paragraphs above? What are their "privileges"? A stable, expanding 
>> DNS, IP allocation system, IANA, protocol-parameter space, etc., are 
>> "privileges"?
>
> God bless ICANN, once again. Since everything's perfect, why are we having 
> such discussions?
>
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