[governance] Drop ALAC altogether??

[Alejandro Pisanty]

Ian,

when we get to a greenfields situation for a new issue it will be great to 
discuss what structure fits the function.

Looking back a day into the files of this list you may find a proposal in 
which Bill Drake, Milton, and I seem to agree to not discuss ICANN for a 
period. Instead, to pick another issue in the WGIG list, amenable for 
global Internet governance, and start discussing the governance needs, 
mechanisms, and then if logic takes us there, structures that perform the 
functions identified as necessary.

The intent of that proposal is to frigging stop the frigging polarized 
discussion and see if there are issues on which there can be more 
agreement and then start the heat again. The adjective "productive" also 
applies to such a discussion.

Alejandro Pisanty


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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, Ian Peter wrote:

> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:38:25 +1100
> From: Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> To: 'Vittorio Bertola' <vb at bertola.eu>, governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Subject: RE: [governance] Drop ALAC altogether??
> 
> Vittorio stated
>
>> A different question might be why do academic and civil rights groups
>> have to be split, part in the NCUC and part in the ALAC (and some
>> perhaps in both). That might make more sense.
>
> I remain unconvinced at the necessity for both an ALAC and a NCUC in a
> sensible and efficient structure for channeling what might effectively be
> called relevant civil society input to a names and numbers organisation.
>
> Alx added
>
>> the NCUC (originally non-commercial domain-name holders, which we later
>> expanded to represent non-commercial interest in generic domain names) is
>> focused on generic domain names, whereas the ALAC covers all that ICANN
>> does and may attract the general user, i.e. not only generic names but also
>> ccTLD names, IP addresses, etc.
>
> Historically relevant because of the forces at play and the insistence of
> Esther Dyson, but in a greenfields situation would you ever come up with a
> structure like that? I don't see great differentiation between those
> interest areas and those likely to want to be involved.
>
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:vb at bertola.eu]
> Sent: 01 December 2007 13:12
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Ian Peter
> Subject: Re: [governance] Drop ALAC altogether??
>
> Ian Peter ha scritto:
>> Sorry to raise yet another heresy,
>>
>> But why have ALAC at all when we have Non Commercial Users Constituency
> and
>> a Business Users Constituency? Don’t they cover all users who would get
>> involved in ALAC?
>>
>> I understand the historical reasons for ALAC, but if we are analyzing
>> structure (rather than power bases we wish to maintain) why have an ALAC
> and
>> a NCUC?
>
> In addition to what Jacqueline already said, the viewpoint/interest of
> the average Internet user and the viewpoint/interest of the academic and
> NGO groups that make up the NCUC (and a good share of the ALSes as well)
> do not always coincide. In issues such as Whois, for example, we had in
> the At Large several people from consumer organizations and technical
> groups pushing for positions that are completely opposite to those of
> the NCUC and of the civil rights organizations, e.g. advocating full
> disclosure and authentication of whoever is behind a website, including
> individuals.
>
> A different question might be why do academic and civil rights groups
> have to be split, part in the NCUC and part in the ALAC (and some
> perhaps in both). That might make more sense.
> -- 
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