[governance] IGC statement to IGF MAG - Yea
Ian Peter
ian.peter at ianpeter.com
Thu May 10 01:54:06 EDT 2007
I support "Core Internet Resources and THEIR current governance
institutions"
It
* makes the point more clearly than "ICANN and Core Internet Resources" -
and
* leads to a more appropriate discussion of the scope and role of ICANN than
the assumption that core Internet resources governance and ICANN are somehow
synonymous
and
* doesnt get the back up of those for whom a direct discussion of ICANN is
either passé or inappropriate
Lee, Carlos, would you settle for this change? I believe it's likely to gain
more support from other constituencies and reduces the risk of civil society
being marginalized.
Ian Peter
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-----Original Message-----
From: Parminder [mailto:parminder at itforchange.net]
Sent: 10 May 2007 15:37
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; 'Mawaki Chango'; 'Lee McKnight'
Subject: RE: [governance] IGC statement to IGF MAG - Yea
Mawaki
Under the consensus call rule
" Some relatively substantive changes may also be accepted only if there is
a resounding support, and no opposition at all, to them. However, this will
be an exception, again completely up to the discretion of the
co-coordinators."
You may still keep this suggested change on the table..
Instead of :
>
> "(2) ICANN and Core Internet Resources"
> we could have
> "(2) Core Internet Resources and current governance institutions"
However, it will have to meet the strict conditions of the above rule. There
should be more support - and no opposition (with earlier opposition - Lee,
Afonso - withdrawn), and we will also check offline with those who have been
pressing the ICANN discussion case most, and then it is still left to the
discretion of co-coordinators... And also to see the exceptional nature of
such a change (no pouring in more requests pl :))
Parminder
PS: meanwhile, if a change is at all to take place, in my personal capacity,
I wonder if "Core Internet Resources and THEIR current governance
institutions" looks more specific to the institutions we want discussed than
"Core Internet Resources and current governance institutions"
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IT for Change, Bangalore
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mawaki Chango [mailto:ki_chango at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:19 AM
> To: Lee McKnight; governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Subject: Re: [governance] IGC statement to IGF MAG - Yea
>
> Lee,
> it's not at all being afraid of anything. if you read that
> section, ICANN is mentioned several times, but also the RIRs
> which are different legal entities and have their own processes.
> And if you push a little bit further, you may even fit in
> (between the lines, of course) WIPO which implements a major
> ICANN-related/initiated policy regarding core Internet
> resources. So I thought ICANN shouldn't be the tree that hides
> the forest.
>
> Mawaki
>
>
> --- Lee McKnight <LMcKnigh at syr.edu> wrote:
>
> > I support the text as is, and the titles as they are - I still
> > don;t get why we're afraid to say 'ICANN' in public.
> >
> > Lee
> >
> > Prof. Lee W. McKnight
> > School of Information Studies
> > Syracuse University
> > +1-315-443-6891office
> > +1-315-278-4392 mobile
> >
> > >>> jeanette at wzb.eu 5/9/2007 1:38 PM >>>
> > I support the text and Mawaki's suggestion regarding the
> > header of no 2.
> >
> > jeanette
> >
> > Mawaki Chango wrote:
> > > I support.
> > > I'd advise though to remove ICANN from the heading 2, but
> > not
> > > from the text. Instead of :
> > >
> > > "(2) ICANN and Core Internet Resources"
> > > we could have
> > > "(2) Core Internet Resources and current governance
> > > institutions"
> > > or a variant of that.
> > >
> > > Mawaki
> > >
> > > --- Carlos Afonso <ca at rits.org.br> wrote:
> > >
> > >> No kiss of death -- we will protest! We will not just send
> > the
> > >> proposal
> > >> and wait... I assume we are engaged in disseminating and
> > >> lobbying for
> > >> our positions in our constituencies (and, in some cases,
> > with
> > >> our
> > >> governments as well). In any case, we can negotiate a word
> > >> replacement
> > >> (meaning the same, of course) later on in the actual
> > debate.
> > >> We can
> > >> replace, for example, "ICANN" with "core resources such as
> > the
> > >>
> > >> administration/governance of names, numbers and
> > protocols..."
> > >> :)
> > >>
> > >> --c.a.
> > >>
> > >> DRAKE William wrote:
> > >>> Milton Mueller wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I fully agree with Carlos, both about delivering it now,
> > >> and about the
> > >>>> title. Thanks, Parminder for putting it together.
> > >>> Has there been a formal consensus call, and that's what
> > >> we're responding
> > >>> to here? If so what's the time frame?
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm a yes on both of the above, although it occurs to me
> > >> that there was
> > >>> never any follow up discussion on Adam's argument that
> > >> framing #2 in
> > >>> terms of ICANN rather than just core resources would be
> > the
> > >> kiss of
> > >>> death mAG-wise. But as the clock is running down and we
> > >> have no
> > >>> alternative language to consider, I guess we'll just see
> > how
> > >> it goes,
> > >>> assuming the proposal gets through the IGC process.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>>
> > >>> Bill
> > >>>
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> > >>>
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >> Carlos A. Afonso
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