[governance] IGC statement to IGF MAG - Yea

Mawaki Chango ki_chango at yahoo.com
Thu May 10 06:03:03 EDT 2007 

Parminder,

as I said with my initial suggestion, a (close enough) variant
of the suggested header would do, and your proposed variant
"Core Internet Resources and THEIR current governance
institutions" is right on point.

In any event, I leave the fate of this to the others to discuss.
If there is no sufficient support, please proceed and do your
job - and thanks for that.

Mawaki

--- Parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:

> Mawaki
> 
> Under the consensus call rule
> 
> " Some relatively substantive changes may also be accepted
> only if there is
> a resounding support, and no opposition at all, to them.
> However, this will
> be an exception, again completely up to the discretion of the
> co-coordinators." 
> 
> You may still keep this suggested change on the table..
> 
> Instead of :
> > 
> > "(2) ICANN and Core Internet Resources"
> > we could have
> > "(2) Core Internet Resources and current governance
> institutions"
> 
> However, it will have to meet the strict conditions of the
> above rule. There
> should be more support - and no opposition (with earlier
> opposition - Lee,
> Afonso - withdrawn), and we will also check offline with those
> who have been
> pressing the ICANN discussion case most, and then it is still
> left to the
> discretion of co-coordinators... And also to see the
> exceptional nature of
> such a change (no pouring in more requests pl :))
> 
> Parminder 
> 
> PS: meanwhile, if a change is at all to take place, in my
> personal capacity,
> I wonder if "Core Internet Resources and THEIR current
> governance
> institutions" looks more specific to the institutions we want
> discussed than
> "Core Internet Resources and current governance institutions"
> 
> ________________________________________________
> Parminder Jeet Singh
> IT for Change, Bangalore
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> 
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mawaki Chango [mailto:ki_chango at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:19 AM
> > To: Lee McKnight; governance at lists.cpsr.org
> > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC statement to IGF MAG - Yea
> > 
> > Lee,
> > it's not at all being afraid of anything. if you read that
> > section, ICANN is mentioned several times, but also the RIRs
> > which are different legal entities and have their own
> processes.
> > And if you push a little bit further, you may even fit in
> > (between the lines, of course) WIPO which implements a major
> > ICANN-related/initiated policy regarding core Internet
> > resources. So I thought ICANN shouldn't be the tree that
> hides
> > the forest.
> > 
> > Mawaki
> > 
> > 
> > --- Lee McKnight <LMcKnigh at syr.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > > I support the text as is, and the titles as they are - I
> still
> > > don;t get why we're afraid to say 'ICANN' in public.
> > >
> > > Lee
> > >
> > > Prof. Lee W. McKnight
> > > School of Information Studies
> > > Syracuse University
> > > +1-315-443-6891office
> > > +1-315-278-4392 mobile
> > >
> > > >>> jeanette at wzb.eu 5/9/2007 1:38 PM >>>
> > > I support the text and Mawaki's suggestion regarding the
> > > header of no 2.
> > >
> > > jeanette
> > >
> > > Mawaki Chango wrote:
> > > > I support.
> > > > I'd advise though to remove ICANN from the heading 2,
> but
> > > not
> > > > from the text. Instead of :
> > > >
> > > > "(2) ICANN and Core Internet Resources"
> > > > we could have
> > > > "(2) Core Internet Resources and current governance
> > > > institutions"
> > > > or a variant of that.
> > > >
> > > > Mawaki
> > > >
> > > > --- Carlos Afonso <ca at rits.org.br> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> No kiss of death -- we will protest! We will not just
> send
> > > the
> > > >> proposal
> > > >> and wait... I assume we are engaged in disseminating
> and
> > > >> lobbying for
> > > >> our positions in our constituencies (and, in some
> cases,
> > > with
> > > >> our
> > > >> governments as well). In any case, we can negotiate a
> word
> > > >> replacement
> > > >> (meaning the same, of course) later on in the actual
> > > debate.
> > > >> We can
> > > >> replace, for example, "ICANN" with "core resources such
> as
> > > the
> > > >>
> > > >> administration/governance of names, numbers and
> > > protocols..."
> > > >> :)
> > > >>
> > > >> --c.a.
> > > >>
> > > >> DRAKE William wrote:
> > > >>> Milton Mueller wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> I fully agree with Carlos, both about delivering it
> now,
> > > >> and about the
> > > >>>> title. Thanks, Parminder for putting it together.
> > > >>> Has there been a formal consensus call, and that's
> what
> > > >> we're responding
> > > >>> to here?  If so what's the time frame?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'm a yes on both of the above, although it occurs to
> me
> > > >> that there was
> > > >>> never any follow up discussion on Adam's argument that
> > > >> framing #2 in
> > > >>> terms of ICANN rather than just core resources would
> be
> > > the
> > > >> kiss of
> > > >>> death mAG-wise.  But as the clock is running down and
> we
> > > >> have no
> > > >>> alternative language to consider, I guess we'll just
> see
> > > how
> > > >> it goes,
> > > >>> assuming the proposal gets through the IGC process.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Cheers,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Bill
> > > >>>
> > >
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> > > >> --
> > > >>
> > > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > >> Carlos A. Afonso
> > > >> diretor de planejamento
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