[governance] AW: [Expression] Fwd: Re: [Privacy-coalition] IGF: workshop proposals?

Kleinw├Ąchter, Wolfgang wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de
Mon Jun 18 11:51:55 EDT 2007

There was also a discussion to have a workshop on "Censorship as a Trade Barrier?". Probably this could be discussed in the below mentioned context. Or we could have a workshop with several parts.

Von: expression-bounces at ipjustice.org im Auftrag von Christian Moeller
Gesendet: Mo 18.06.2007 17:35
An: expression at ipjustice.org
Betreff: [Expression] Fwd: Re: [Privacy-coalition] IGF: workshop proposals?

Dear all,
let me forward a mail Malcolm sent to the Privacy Coalition mailing list - apologies for cross posting.

When it comes to workshops I like the idea to have a workshop on 'Freedom of expression as a security measure'.

This is just to add another topic to the proposed ICANN-DNS theme.

I am looking forward to your comments,
best regards,

>>> Malcolm Hutty <malcolm at linx.net> 15/06/2007 10:48 >>>
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karen banks wrote:
> -The balance of privacy rights and freedom of expression with security
> needs.

Actually, Karen, I don't like the framing of this last bullet much: the
"balance" word is too often a codeword for "why we need to give up
individual rights in the name of collective security".

I'd rather be promoting the idea of privacy-supporting security
techniques (e.g. how the much maligned pre-paid debit cards enable
online transactions without identify theft, why giving out our personal
data unnecessarily puts it at risk of security breaches etc etc).

As for freedom of expression, when we're told to "balance" security
interests by censoring certain views, it needs to be said that this is
exactly what leads to terrorism. This is not only because of the sense
of grievance censorship creates or because of the (often spurious)
legitimacy censorship appears to confer on the censored opinions, but
also because censorship cuts off the option of legitimate democratic
alternatives. In a more "e-crime" context, banning the distribution of
tools that might help hackers (as the UK has done, and the whole of
Europe is now considering) will only harm the legitimate security
professionals who use and study them, not the criminals.

So as a counter-suggestion (I think they're two different issues):

- - Privacy as a security measure
- - Freedom of expression as a security measure


Speaking above for myself, not for my employer.
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