[governance] RE: [NA-Discuss] ALAC and NCUC

Thu Apr 19 13:16:10 EDT 2007

Well - I thought regions, but it could be any well-organised group of
individuals coalescing around a viewpoint that drowns out a minority
opinion. It's like the silence equals consent rule in some mailing lists.
Some people don't consent, but they don't feel comfortable jumping into some
of the rather intense discussions, or they don't check email every day
(there are many people here in T&T who have a 20 hour/month dial up plan. I
really don't see what you can do with 20 hours/month, but there are a lot of
them, and they are users and they have the right to put their 2 cents in on
issues)
No - I have no ideas that might work - that's my problem. I am thinking
about it, though.
Jacqueline

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeanette Hofmann [mailto:jeanette at wzb.eu] 
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:06 PM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Jacqueline A. Morris
Cc: 'Jeanette Hofmann'; 'Michael Gurstein'
Subject: Re: [governance] RE: [NA-Discuss] ALAC and NCUC

Hi Jacqueline, if I am not mistaken your example assumes that viewpoints 
correlate with regional origins. I am not sure this is often the case. 
Also, voting is just one form of having a say. In most cases, 
participation might simply mean to offer one's opinion. On the other 
hand, I am all in favor of protecting minorities. Any ideas?
jeanette

Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:
> A family could represent a grouping of individual users... 
> I don't think that an individual should HAVE to join an organization in
> order to have a say in processes or policy, but we do need to think how to
> practically organize it... for example, a place where there are 10 people
> interested in participating with a particular viewpoint could easily on
the
> basis of 1 person 1 vote be drowned out by 100,000 from a place that is
more
> developed wrt the Internet, and thus has more "members". But the viewpoint
> of the 10 needs to be heard as well. So how do we organize to get
> individuals involved as well as groupings of individuals but still
allowing
> all viewpoints to come through?
> Jacqueline
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeanette Hofmann [mailto:jeanette at wzb.eu] 
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:33 PM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Michael Gurstein
> Subject: Re: [governance] RE: [NA-Discuss] ALAC and NCUC
> 
> 
> 
>> On the principle that silence is consent, if my argument is valid then
>> could I suggest that the notion of "individual internet user" in fact is
>> more or less without content as it could either mean anyone, since
>> anyone could be an anonymous cybercafe or cell phone Internet surfer (or
>> no one in particular--who would know or could make any judgements in
>> this regard);  or it should necessarily include some sorts of collective
>> groupings i.e. families, communities etc. 
> 
> 
> The notion of individual users matters a lot in the context of 
> representation. It is not the same if individuals have a right to 
> participate in ICANN or if they need to join an organization such as an 
> ISOC chapter to have a say.
> 
> I don't understand how a family could form an individual user. Are you 
> perhaps confusing users with email accounts?
> 
> jeanette
> 
> 
> 
> (individuals as collectives
>> hmmm...-and then who speaks for them and how are the "interests" of
>> these collectives to be represented, as collectives or as collections of
>> individuals etc.etc.).
>>
>> In a global environment where on the one hand Internet "use" is becoming
>> more or less pervasive and on the other where the notion of who or what
>> constitutes "the individual" is highly culturally (and even politically)
>> determined, could I humbly suggest that some other mode of delineating
>> participation in this aspect of Internet governance be formulated.
>>
>> MG
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>> [mailto:na-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jacob
>> Malthouse
>> Sent: April 19, 2007 6:36 AM
>> To: NA Discuss
>> Subject: [NA-Discuss] ALAC and NCUC
>>
>>
>> From: http://alac.icann.org/
>> ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is responsible for  
>> considering and providing advice on the activities of the Internet  
>> Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), as they relate to  
>> the interests of individual Internet users (the "At-Large"  
>> community). ICANN, as a private sector, non-profit corporation with  
>> technical management responsibilities for the Internet's domain name  
>> and address system, will rely on the ALAC and its supporting  
>> infrastructure (At-Large groups all over the world) to involve and  
>> represent in ICANN a broad set of individual user interests.
>>
>> From: http://www.ncdnhc.org/
>> The Noncommercial Users Constituency (NCUC) is the home for civil  
>> society organizations in ICANN's Generic Names Supporting  
>> Organization (GNSO). With real voting power in ICANN, it develops and  
>> supports Internet policies that favor noncommercial communication and  
>> activity on the Internet, and it participates in the selection of  
>> ICANN Board members.
>>
>>
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