[governance] [ga] Re: Establishment of the European Regional At-Large Organizaton

Sat Jan 21 19:27:18 EST 2006

Robert your spanish is much better than mine. Thankyou for playing this
little game with us.

Erick feels like Karl and me that ICANN has presented us a nice little
sandbox with nice little toys to play with.

So Erik and me started playing. You want the others to join in so
it might be a good idea to stay with english. Also we probably might
find more spanish readers than english (there are fewer analphabeths :)
we might loose the scandinavians and playing without the scandinavian
is less fun.

I am unshure wether we may bring in our own toys or wether we have
to use the toys presented by ICANN. That is why I offered

http://root.5wc.ch/
http://www.opennic.unrated.net/

as alternative roots and

http://iason.site.voila.fr/
https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/

for verifying and building.

There are 8 ways we might follow.

Erich choose (b):

Changing with heart and mind to follow a different target.
Sorry my spanish is not so good after all.

I choose (e):

Anarchy, because the threat of anarchy might bring people
who have lost all reality back to their senses.

Take the root for example. It is a single point of failure.
Both Eugene Kashpureff and Joe Baptista showed how easy
it is to bring down a root. All you have to do is ...

No everybody fluent in DNS knows already. I need not repeat.

Only balkanisation can save us from the danger of root
corruption.

If you want to run your own root-servers please ask me
privately wether we could monitor your root-servers with
IASON or how you could do it yourself using IASON :)

That's for anarchy now let us come back to our senses.

Thankyou

Peter

Robert Guerra wrote:
> je ne suis pas sur si tous les gens ici comprends la langue de  
> cervantes. Alors, je pense que ça será mieux que on reste en  l'anglais, 
> comme ça la majorité des gens peut comprende et repondre.
> 
> I don't think all the people on here understand the language of  
> Cervantes. So, I think it might be best to stay in english, that way  
> not only everyone can understand (what's being said) - but reply as  well.
> 
> Creo que no toda la gente aqui comprende el indioma de Cervantes. Por  
> tanto creo que sería mejor quedar al ingles, asi no solo todos  
> entienden - sino que todos tambien pueden responder.
> 
> Linguistic diversity is important, but if you are going to post - do  
> try to translate for others who might not understand your language.
> 
> 
> 
> regards,
> 
> Robert
> 
> -- 
> Robert Guerra <rguerra at privaterra.org>
> Managing Director, Privaterra
> Tel +1 416 893 0377 Fax +1 416 893 0374
> 
> 
> On 21-Jan-06, at 6:01 PM, Peter Dambier wrote:
> 
>> Erick Iriarte Ahon wrote:
>>
>>> A ver..
>>>
>>> entonces no solamente la hacemos de juguetes del
>>> Board del ICANN, sino que nos engañamos a
>>> nosotros mismos (digo por los que andamos dentro
>>> del ALAC), sino que tambien de paso andamos
>>> complicados con nuestras organizaciones de base.
>>
>>
>> Puedo utilisar mes juguetes mios ou solo los
>> juguetes del ICANN?
>>
>> Tengo
>>
>> http://root.5wc.ch/
>> http://www.opennic.unrated.net/
>>
>> y mes juguetes especiales
>>
>> http://iason.site.voila.fr/
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/
>>
>> otros juguetes?
>>
>>>
>>> Hay desde hace mucho caminos para intentar
>>> cambiar las cosas: a. patear el tablero y volver
>>> a empezar. b. cambiar desde adentro (al menos
>>> intentarlo con corazon y razon), c. criticar y no
>>> hacer nada, d. la toma del poder
>>> estrategicamente, e. la anarquia total a ver que
>>> sale del caos (tal como los antiguos decian que
>>> "algo" salio del "caos" inicial).
>>>
>>> Por mi parte he optado por el camino (b).
>>
>>
>> (e) me gusta mucho penso que juegos como
>>
>> http://www.kokoom.com/iason/bifurcation.html
>>
>> son muy divertido.
>>
>> Pero, si para jugar con vos tengo (b). Hoy tenomos (b)
>> pero manana (e) ?
>>
>>>
>>> Si dicho camino es incorrecto para otros, respeto
>>> su decision de tener otras posturas, al igual que
>>> respeto las discrepancias de vision, y mas aun
>>> respeto y mataria por su derecho a expresarse
>>> libremente, pero lo que no entiendo, es que a
>>> aquellos que pensemos distinto a otros nos traten
>>> de suerte de "idiotas/ignorantes/incautos" y peor
>>> aun que nos traten de
>>> "acomedidos/amarrados/maniatados/manipulados/conculcados", por el  
>>> ICANN.
>>
>>
>> Solo es un juego. Hoy tenemos (b) manana tenemos (e)
>> una semana mas tarde sabemos mas. No tenemos
>> discrepancias de vision, penso que non.
>>
>> Ni de lengua ni de vision, es cierto.
>>
>>>
>>> Que no se puede hacer tanto como se desea? eso es
>>> cierto, negarlo seria tonto. Pero negar que se
>>> lucha con ahinco porque las cosas sean distintas,
>>> de ganar esos espacios que fueron negados o no se
>>> pensaron desde un inicio, de tratar de convocar
>>> al resto para tener una participacion real, negar
>>> todo lo que se esta haciendo es tambien mezquino.
>>>
>>> el ALAC no solo puede fallar, las personas dentro
>>> del ALAC pueden fallar, pero al menos se intentan
>>> las cosas, nada sale de las elucubraciones
>>> mentales desde afuera, solo no entender lo de
>>> adentro, y que se generen guerras intestintas
>>> entre los que defienden que si hacen cosas y los
>>> de afuera que dicen que no se hace nada, y peor aun que se es  titere 
>>> de otros.
>>>
>>> Por que defiendo el ALAC? porque a lo mejor he
>>> visto cosas que el resto no quiere ver, o no quiere percatarse.
>>>
>>> Y algo mas, hay tambien razon en muchos puntos
>>> que se expresan, el Board debe dar mayor espacio
>>> de dialogo al ALAC, debe generar una labor mas
>>> proactiva de integracion internacional, lo dije
>>> explicitamente en Tunez, el documento de la WSIS
>>> (parte II), lo que hace es darle una oportunidad
>>> historica al ICANN de demostrar que es ese
>>> espacio que se necesita para temas de
>>> administracion de recursos de internet, de una
>>> manera transparente, multi-stakeholder,
>>> democratica, participativa, la pelota esta en
>>> cancha del ICANN. Y el ALAC debe jugar un papel clave en este  proceso.
>>>
>>> Erick
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 03:09 p.m. 21/01/2006, Karl Auerbach wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> .. but, once the gates are open, the fault of
>>>>> this only lies with those who don't bother to participate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Those who are given a toy steering wheel are not
>>>> driving the automobile even if they do participate.
>>>>
>>>> The ALAC is a toy.
>>>>
>>>> And the ALAC is not merely a toy, it is also a
>>>> badge of subordination and inferiority.  While
>>>> selected industrial actors get access to the
>>>> real steering wheel of ICANN, the ALAC seems
>>>> happy to accept a powerless third class status.
>>>>
>>>> No, I will not bother to cooperate with the
>>>> ALAC.  Indeed it is my feeling that the ALAC
>>>> should be recognized for what it was intended to
>>>> be: a childrens' playpen to keep "individuals" quiet.
>>>>
>>>> I know that some are trying your best to make
>>>> good of a bad situation. And for that they deserve credit for  
>>>> having hope.
>>>>
>>>> I, however, am not going to eat ICANN's ALAC
>>>> garbage and pretend that it is tasty and nutritious.
>>>>
>>>>                --karl--
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> -- 
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The Public-Root Consortium
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