[governance] Fleming

[Joe Baptista]

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005, Robert Guerra wrote:

> Many of us on this list are keen, very keen, to develop proposed -
> specific language - to contribute to the negotiations that will take
> place in a bit over 2 weeks time.

Are you just as keen to fail?  I have found it very sad to see so much
effort wasted.  And it is a waste of time.  In the end all these efforts
will come to not.  I have not been wrong ever when it comes to Internet
governance.  Why?  In the final analysis Internet governance is a bogus
process since the Internet can not be governed.

Governance is not nor has it ever been ther issue.  The issue is allowing
all people access to the root zone -without restrictions, and that has
been - www.inaic.com and www.public-root.com.

> While Jim and others may have good, perhaps excellent ideas - the
> moment is not now. I hate to be blunt, but that is the fact. If Jim
> and others on her can focus and help us contribute to the WSIS , then
> - great! if not, can I kindly ask to wait until the WSIS is over in
> Nov. Is that too much to ask?

Let me provide you all with the best advice you'll ever get.  This one is
for governments who are here watching.  If you want to have a voice on the
Internet - setup your own roots and legislate or encourage your ISPs to
use them.  Thats what happened in Turkey and China.

cheers
joe


>
>
> regards,
>
> Robert
>
> --
> Robert Guerra <rguerra at privaterra.org>
> Managing Director, Privaterra <http://www.privaterra.org>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 22-Oct-05, at 9:31 PM, Joe Baptista wrote:
>
> >
> > On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, David Goldstein wrote:
> >
> >
> >> So Joe... you think it's censorship. I suggest it's
> >> out of bounds of the aims of the list and there are
> >> plenty of other places for you and Jim and you cronies
> >> to go and annoy people. Hey, why not even start your
> >> list? Or would it be there would be you Joe, Jim
> >> and... ummm... would there be anyone else on the list?
> >>
> >
> > Your arguments are clearly irrelevant and have no bearing in fact.
> >
> > Anyone with a good technical background knows that Fleming knows his
> > business, and indeed his commentary is relevant, unfortunately you
> > have no
> > idea what hes going on about - I understand - may I recommend you
> > educate
> > yourself.  Even call him up directly.
> >
> >
> >> And given you've brought up censorship Joe and you
> >> seem to be of the view that anything is permissable,
> >> does this mean Joe Baptista supports access to child
> >> porn for everyone? Surely banning this would
> >> censorship to you too?
> >>
> >
> > Anything on the net is in fact permissible.  Those who know the
> > technology
> > know how to distribute anything they want.  Spam - child porn - or
> > even
> > more eclectic porn like old toothless grannies giving blow jobs.
> > Its all
> > data.
> >
> > The issue here is - does Jim have something relevant to say -
> > indeed he
> > does.  I don't agree with his approach - I think at this time we still
> > have time to save the DNS.  BUt if that don't work - then Jim ideas
> > are as
> > relevant as anyone elses.
> >
> > Jim s after all a recognized professional programmer who knows the
> > networking field.  His ideas are therefore more relevant then some
> > of the
> > political idiocy I see here.  But then that my opinion.
> >
> > cheers
> > joe baptista
> >
> >
> >>
> >> David
> >> --- Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Joe,
> >>> while this is possible to be done at the user's end,
> >>> you would agree
> >>> that people who are on dial-up, may still experience
> >>> problems
> >>> downloading Mb of unnecessary mail coming from the
> >>> mailing list.
> >>>
> >>> I'd suggest to put the normal netiquette in place.
> >>>
> >>> veni
> >>>
> >>> At 08:20 22-10-05  -0400, Joe Baptista wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Ewan SUTHERLAND wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I think that "fleming" is now a spam word and
> >>>>>
> >>> can be filtered out
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Good idea Sutherland, use your spam filters and
> >>>>
> >>> censor fleming yourselves,
> >>>
> >>>> do not censor him from the list.
> >>>>
> >>>
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