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rence in a couple of weeks. That might give us more information.
=20
But it seems that this multistakeholder coalition without governments, whic=
h this list seems to be, may not always represent CS best interests, and ou=
r representation appears to be token in any case.
=20
Current actions of this type could well see governments coalesce behind an =
ITU solution. This could be very embarrassing to the technical community gr=
oups.
=20
Right now this seems to be a not well thought out muddle that might actuall=
y put the cause of sensible internet governance back rather than advance it=
. I think we should contribute positively, but not be in a position where =
we are tied to the objectives and approaches of this coalition.
=20
Ian Peter
=20
From: Joana Varon <mailto:joana at varonferraz.com>=20=20
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 5:34 AM
To: mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net=20
Subject: [bestbits] [Follow up of the previous report] Summary I*coalition/=
dialogue debates
=20
=20
Dear all,=20
Hi.=20
While the debate about the process for using an open or closed BB list stil=
l remains, please, find below a summary about what has been going on in the=
very closed list that was created after the Friday meeting with Fadi and I=
* representatives, which I have reported a few days ago. Carlos, Carolina a=
nd Laura, please, feel free to add other points. Also, there are others BB =
subscribers that are also in the coalition/dialogue list that may want to w=
eigh in.=20
I should remind you that Carlos Afonso and Laura Tresca and I went to that =
meeting as it was supposed to debate the Brazilian Summit. And since the me=
eting with the Brazilian government in the IGF, the three of us, plus Carol=
ina Rossini, were indicated as liaisons to help facilitate civil society pa=
rticipation in the event. Nevertheless, as you could read in the report, th=
at meeting took a different direction and was focused on building the "coal=
ition". So, in the near future, we should probably re-address the issue of =
representatives, and the possibility of broadening CS participation beyond =
Brazilians if we choose to continue to engage.=20
Summary
After the meeting, held on Oct, 25th, a closed mailing list (i-coordination=
@nro.net) has been created for the drafting the concept note and debating t=
he name of the coalition. Besides the four of us, it comprises the followin=
g organizations/companies: ICC, Oracle, verizon, cisco, cra, auda, internet=
nz (2), eurid, lacnic, apnic, afrinic (2), icann (2), arin (2), piuha, goog=
le, sidn, isoc.=20
1) First days of the list were taken by debates about the name and the diff=
erence of coalition and dialogue. As dialogue is less binding, the term "co=
alition" was dropped. Current proposed name is: 1net | An Open dialogue for=
the Evolution of Internet Governance
2) More important: A draft of a concept note (attached) was sent by Adiel, =
from Afrinic. As it was sent in the same email about the name, people got m=
ostly focused in the name. The only comments received are marked in the att=
achment as well.
Carolina and I have raised the point that so far there are no government or=
representatives involved in the coalition/dialogue to any extent. I've als=
o sent comments regarding the fact that the upcoming events were only event=
s from the technical communities and there is no language on human rights i=
n the text, just on business and innovation. No replies here received on th=
ese issues whatsoever, but the drafting is just starting and is open for ou=
r inputs.=20
3) Much more important: Nevertheless, things seams to move fast. Today a th=
read was initiated proposing to accelerate the creation of an interim steer=
ing committee (about 20 people, as far as I understood, the same as who wer=
e at the Friday meeting) which will then liaise with their respective "stak=
eholder" groups. Quoting the admin of the list, the reason was that the lis=
t is "receiving every day requests to add new people (specially from busine=
ss community)" and the proposal was to "create a clear demarcation between =
the large group of people ready to engage into the dialogue and a subset of=
it that will facilitate and coordinate the whole process."=20
It seams the drafting group is escalating to a steering committee which rai=
ses questions about the composition of the group (until now there is no bal=
ance in terms of number of representatives from each stakeholder group). Th=
is proposal got 3 agreements and one point raised by oracle about represent=
ativeness.=20
In face of this, I think we have three fundamental questions:
>> Do we want to engage with the coalition/dialogue?=20
>> Could this initiative be perceived as a counter-weight to the Brazilian =
summit? ( There is no governments or international organizations in the con=
cept note. Carolina and I made that point a few days ago, but it was not he=
ard until now)
>> If we decide to engage, what do we want out of this process? How?
Hope it's useful and addresses some doubts that came up in our previous thr=
ead about the first report. Another report, about our the meeting with the =
Brazilian gov is coming soon.=20
If we engage with this we will have two tracks to interact with: a) one reg=
arding the Summit and the exchange of ideas with the Brazilian government)=
+ the other trying to reach a common ground with the Dialogue. Sounds comp=
licated if we don't use our diversity in a kindly and comprehensive way.
all the best
joana
--=20
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Joana Varon Ferraz
@joana_varon
PGP 0x016B8E73
=20
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nk=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yes to Ia=
n's comments below and certainly we should not be in a position at least as=
this time, that the "coalition" is able to present themselves as=
representing CS in addition to the Technical Community and the Private Sec=
tor.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";colo=
r:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;borde=
r-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:<=
/span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"=
'> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestb=
its.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ian Peter<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 31=
, 2013 12:42 PM<br><b>To:</b> Joana Varon; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net<br><=
b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] [Follow up of the previous report] Summary I*=
coalition/dialogue debates<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thank you Joana and all=
for your excellent reporting back on the meetings and =E2=80=9Cprogress=E2=
=80=9D.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","san=
s-serif";color:black'>Right now I think our position should be one of a =E2=
=80=9Cwatching brief=E2=80=9D rather than taking any particular leading rol=
e or total commitment to this particular group.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"=
;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>From memory B=
razil said it would be giving more information about the conference in a co=
uple of weeks. That might give us more information.<o:p></o:p></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-se=
rif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>But it se=
ems that this multistakeholder coalition without governments, which this li=
st seems to be, may not always represent CS best interests, and our represe=
ntation appears to be token in any case.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p=
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:=
black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Current actions of t=
his type could well see governments coalesce behind an ITU solution. This c=
ould be very embarrassing to the technical community groups.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri"=
,"sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Right now this seems to be a not well thought out muddle that might actual=
ly put the cause of sensible internet governance back rather than advance i=
t . I think we should contribute positively, but not be in a position where=
we are tied to the objectives and approaches of this coalition.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:bla=
ck'>Ian Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:b=
lack'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal styl=
e=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href=3D"mailto:j=
oana at varonferraz.com" title=3D"joana at varonferraz.com">Joana Varon</a> <o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whites=
moke'><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";=
color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"T=
ahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Friday, November 01, 2013 5:34 AM<o:p></o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmok=
e'><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";col=
or:black'>To:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma=
","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href=3D"mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net"=
title=3D"bestbits at lists.bestbits.net">mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net</=
a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'backgroun=
d:whitesmoke'><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans=
-serif";color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> [bestbits] [Follow up of the p=
revious report] Summary I*coalition/dialogue debates<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
/div></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin-bottom:.2in'>=
<span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Dear all, </sp=
an><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p style=3D'margin-bottom:.2in'><span style=3D'font-family:"Ar=
ial","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi. </span><span style=3D'font-family:"Calib=
ri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin-bott=
om:.2in'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>While=
the debate about the process for using an open or closed BB list still rem=
ains, please, find below a summary about what has been going on in the very=
closed list that was created after the Friday meeting with Fadi and I* rep=
resentatives, which I have reported a few days ago. Carlos, Carolina and La=
ura, please, feel free to add other points. Also, there are others BB subsc=
ribers that are also in the coalition/dialogue list that may want to weigh =
in. </span><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><=
span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I should remind=
you that Carlos Afonso and Laura Tresca and I went to that meeting as it w=
as supposed to debate the Brazilian Summit. And since the meeting with the =
Brazilian government in the IGF, the three of us, plus Carolina Rossini, we=
re indicated as liaisons to help facilitate civil society participation in =
the event. Nevertheless, as you could read in the report, that meeting took=
a different direction and was focused on building the "coalition"=
;. So, in the near future, we should probably re-address the issue of repre=
sentatives, and the possibility of broadening CS participation beyond Brazi=
lians if we choose to continue to engage.</span><span style=3D'font-family:=
"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'> </span><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri=
","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin-bottom=
:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-ser=
if";color:black'>Summary</span></b><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sa=
ns-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;=
margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";colo=
r:black'>After the meeting, held on Oct, 25<sup>th</sup>,</span><span style=
=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'> </span><span style=3D'font=
-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>a closed mailing list (<a href=3D=
"mailto:i-coordination at nro.net" target=3D"_blank">i-coordination at nro.net</a=
>) has been created for the drafting the concept note and debating the name=
of the coalition. Besides the four of us, it comprises the following organ=
izations/companies: ICC, Oracle, verizon, cisco, cra, auda, internetnz (2),=
eurid, lacnic, apnic, afrinic (2), icann (2), arin (2), piuha, google, sid=
n, isoc. </span><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:bla=
ck'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin-bottom:.2in'><span style=3D'fo=
nt-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>1) First days of the list were =
taken by debates about the name and the difference of coalition and dialogu=
e. As dialogue is less binding, the term "coalition" was dropped.=
Current proposed name is: 1net | An Open dialogue for the Evolution of Int=
ernet Governance</span><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin-bottom:.2in'><span styl=
e=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>2) More important: A dra=
ft of a concept note (attached) was sent by Adiel, from Afrinic. As it was =
sent in the same email about the name, people got mostly focused in the nam=
e. The only comments received are marked in the attachment as well.</span><=
span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></=
span></p><p style=3D'margin-bottom:.2in'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial"=
,"sans-serif";color:black'>Carolina and I have raised the point that so far=
there are no government or representatives involved in the coalition/dialo=
gue to any extent. I've also sent comments regarding the fact that the upco=
ming events were only events from the technical communities and there is no=
language on human rights in the text, just on business and innovation. No =
replies here received on these issues whatsoever, but the drafting is just =
starting and is open for our inputs. </span><span style=3D'font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin-bo=
ttom:.2in'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>3) =
Much more important: Nevertheless, things seams to move fast. Today a threa=
d was initiated proposing to accelerate the creation of an interim steering=
committee (about 20 people, as far as I understood, the same as who were a=
t the Friday meeting) which will then liaise with their respective "st=
akeholder" groups. Quoting the admin of the list, the reason was that =
the list is "receiving every day requests to add new people (specially=
from business community)" and the proposal was to "create a clea=
r demarcation between the large group of people ready to engage into the di=
alogue and a subset of it that will facilitate and coordinate the whole pro=
cess." <br><br>It seams the drafting group is escalating to a steering=
committee which raises questions about the composition of the group (until=
now there is no balance in terms of number of representatives from each st=
akeholder group). This proposal got 3 agreements and one point raised by or=
acle about representativeness. </span><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin-bottom:.=
2in'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>In face o=
f this, I think we have three fundamental questions:</span><span style=3D'f=
ont-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p sty=
le=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-family:"=
Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>>> Do we want to engage with the coa=
lition/dialogue? </span><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";c=
olor:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bott=
om:.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&g=
t;> Could this initiative be perceived as a counter-weight to the Brazil=
ian summit? ( There is no governments or international organizations in the=
concept note. Carolina and I made that point a few days ago, but it was no=
t heard until now)</span><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";=
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bot=
tom:.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
gt;> If we decide to engage, what do we want out of this process? How?</=
span><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span s=
tyle=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hope it's useful an=
d addresses some doubts that came up in our previous thread about the first=
report. Another report, about our the meeting with the Brazilian gov is co=
ming soon. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-botto=
m:.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I=
f we engage with this we will have two tracks to interact with: a) one rega=
rding the Summit and the exchange of ideas with the Brazilian governm=
ent) + the other trying to reach a common ground with the Dialogue. Sounds =
complicated if we don't use our diversity in a kindly and comprehensive way=
.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'=
><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>all the bes=
t<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'=
><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>joana<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-famil=
y:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br>-- <br>-- <br><br>Joana Varon Fer=
raz<br>@joana_varon<br>PGP 0x016B8E73<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'marg=
in-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","=
sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=3DMso=
Normal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><span style=3D'font-famil=
y:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dc=
enter></span></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri=
","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________=
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