[bestbits] Spain/Catalunya Developments. Scary

Raoul Plommer plommer at gmail.com
Wed Sep 20 15:06:28 EDT 2017 

Can we have the link to the video, please?

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 22:01 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Wow
> You just lost an incredible dialogue in LACNIC between Steve Crocker and
> Jordi Palet (community member who is from Catalonia)
> Highly recommend watching the streaming
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Article 155 of the Spanish Constitution establishes a mechanism for the
>> intervention of a region (Comunidad Autonoma) that requires approval by the
>> Senate after the President of the Spanish Government asks the President of
>> the Comunidad Autonoma for redress (
>> http://www.congreso.es/consti/constitucion/indice/titulos/articulos.jsp?ini=155&tipo=2).
>> Point here being: there is a Constitutional mechanism to do what the
>> Spanish executive is doing through the action of the judiciary that
>> involves and includes the opinion of the Parliament. In my opinion, this is
>> a case that should include the voice of the Parliament.
>>
>> But in addition, the Spanish President said today: "The Government is
>> doing what it has to do" (
>> http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20170920/431423116122/cronologia-20s-inflexion-referendum-1-o.html
>> ).
>>
>> So no Ayden, I think it is correct to talk about Spanish government.
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>> *Gus Rossi*
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>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ayden Férdeline <ayden at ferdeline.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There is a separation of powers in Spain; this action is the result of
>>> judicial action, not the more ominous sounding "Spanish government" ;-). I
>>> think it is important we remember this. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Spain/Catalunya Developments. Scary
>>> Local Time: 20 September 2017 7:29 PM
>>> UTC Time: 20 September 2017 18:29
>>> From: raquino at gmail.com
>>> To: James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net>
>>> Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org>, Renata Avila <
>>> renata.avila at webfoundation.org>, bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> < <
>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>>>
>>> I like this thread
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/netfreedom/status/910498838137499648
>>>
>>> The violence of it all could end up taking offline things which have
>>> nothing to do w/ Catalonia at all
>>>
>>> i would be careful, though, with the brand "Spanish government". Itself
>>> is very divided and so far I haven't really understood who was the genius
>>> responsible for this raid.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:26 PM, James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Im going to go out on a limb here and split my response,
>>>>
>>>> First - this is a terrible terrible action, the right of people to self
>>>> organise and decide their future should be sacrosanct and these heavy
>>>> handed tactics should be denounced far and wide. We fight against this kind
>>>> of action in far flung corners of the world, in Europe we lose a lot of our
>>>> creditability when we allow things like this to happen on our own doorstep.
>>>>
>>>> Secondly - I don’t think ICANN should have a response, at the end of
>>>> the day this is a content issue and that is something ICANN has no role in.
>>>> If the whole of .cat had been taken down yes that would be a different
>>>> conversation but again, my understanding is that its official LEO and
>>>> government actions here with the takedowns.
>>>>
>>>> -James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20 Sep 2017, at 20:22, Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm writing a blogpost from PK's side.
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward seeing/hearing more voices :)
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>>>> *Gus Rossi*
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>>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Renata Avila <
>>>> renata.avila at webfoundation.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Totally and it is not isolated from increasingly restrictive -
>>>>> repressive laws and practices the Spanish government has approved and
>>>>> practiced the last 5 years. And it sets a precedent of what is acceptable
>>>>> if people from the international community remain silent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, politics are complicated. Everywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the defence of human rights is non partisan and a collective
>>>>> responsibility.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am curious to read ICANN response and diff positions from our
>>>>> organisations and spaces.
>>>>>
>>>>> R
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Renata Avila
>>>>>
>>>>> *Senior Digital Rights Advisor*
>>>>> renata.avila at webfoundation.org
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Context: *Catalunya is holding an independence referendum next
>>>>>> month. The Spanish Constitution does not recognize any kind of questioning
>>>>>> of the territorial integrity of Spain. But the Catalan parliament approved
>>>>>> having a referendum anyway. Today, Spanish police carried out morning raids
>>>>>> at regional government offices in Barcelona, arresting several Catalan
>>>>>> officials involved in preparations for the referendum. In addition,
>>>>>> websites have been shutdown or blocked, and .CAT domain technical staff
>>>>>> have been detained. Also, the magazines of an important independentist
>>>>>> association (Omnium Cultural) have been denied delivery by the Spanish
>>>>>> postal service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regardless of what you might think of the Catalan political process,
>>>>>> independentist movements in Europe, or else, there are some things I wanted
>>>>>> to bring to your attention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *The Internet:* Right now, this conflict has definitively spilled
>>>>>> over Internet Freedom of Expression, human rights, and the right to an open
>>>>>> Internet:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .CAT domain has been intervened by the Spanish Police (Guardia Civil:
>>>>>>  https://twitter.com/puntcat/status/910446518494269440) All web
>>>>>> pages under that domain that have information about the referendum have
>>>>>> been suspended.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The technical staff of .CAT has been detained by the police
>>>>>> (including one ISOC-CAT member).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This was the webpage calling for the catalan referendum:
>>>>>> http://ref1oct.cat/. nic.EU is now hosting the webpage, but there
>>>>>> are reports that Spanish authorities have ordered ISPs to block the DNSs:
>>>>>> ref1oct.eu
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are large DDoS attacks on some websites (apparently Cloudflare
>>>>>> is under attack, as per some reports), and there is traffic
>>>>>> manipulation by the ISPs (DNS blocking on certain domains).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In addition, there has been confiscation of personal goods of the
>>>>>> Catalan politicians, police searches in newspapers and printing plants,
>>>>>> some email.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is Western Europe in 2017 that we are talking about. We should
>>>>>> be worried.
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>>>>>> *Gus Rossi*
>>>>>> Global Policy Director (202) 861-0020 (x123) | (202) 651 1337
>>>>>> <(202)%651-1337> (mobile) | @agustinrs
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/agustinrs>
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