[bestbits] Spain/Catalunya Developments. Scary

Renata Aquino Ribeiro raquino at gmail.com
Wed Sep 20 15:07:39 EDT 2017 

i think it will take some time to be up in LACNIC channel on Youtube

http://www.lacnic.net/web/eventos/lacnic28-webcasting

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Can we have the link to the video, please?
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 22:01 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Wow
>> You just lost an incredible dialogue in LACNIC between Steve Crocker and
>> Jordi Palet (community member who is from Catalonia)
>> Highly recommend watching the streaming
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Article 155 of the Spanish Constitution establishes a mechanism for the
>>> intervention of a region (Comunidad Autonoma) that requires approval by the
>>> Senate after the President of the Spanish Government asks the President of
>>> the Comunidad Autonoma for redress (http://www.congreso.es/
>>> consti/constitucion/indice/titulos/articulos.jsp?ini=155&tipo=2). Point
>>> here being: there is a Constitutional mechanism to do what the Spanish
>>> executive is doing through the action of the judiciary that involves and
>>> includes the opinion of the Parliament. In my opinion, this is a case that
>>> should include the voice of the Parliament.
>>>
>>> But in addition, the Spanish President said today: "The Government is
>>> doing what it has to do" ( http://www.lavanguardia.com/
>>> politica/20170920/431423116122/cronologia-20s-
>>> inflexion-referendum-1-o.html ).
>>>
>>> So no Ayden, I think it is correct to talk about Spanish government.
>>>
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>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ayden Férdeline <ayden at ferdeline.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is a separation of powers in Spain; this action is the result of
>>>> judicial action, not the more ominous sounding "Spanish government" ;-). I
>>>> think it is important we remember this. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Spain/Catalunya Developments. Scary
>>>> Local Time: 20 September 2017 7:29 PM
>>>> UTC Time: 20 September 2017 18:29
>>>> From: raquino at gmail.com
>>>> To: James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net>
>>>> Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org>, Renata Avila <
>>>> renata.avila at webfoundation.org>, bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> < <
>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>>>>
>>>> I like this thread
>>>>
>>>> https://twitter.com/netfreedom/status/910498838137499648
>>>>
>>>> The violence of it all could end up taking offline things which have
>>>> nothing to do w/ Catalonia at all
>>>>
>>>> i would be careful, though, with the brand "Spanish government". Itself
>>>> is very divided and so far I haven't really understood who was the genius
>>>> responsible for this raid.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:26 PM, James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Im going to go out on a limb here and split my response,
>>>>>
>>>>> First - this is a terrible terrible action, the right of people to
>>>>> self organise and decide their future should be sacrosanct and these heavy
>>>>> handed tactics should be denounced far and wide. We fight against this kind
>>>>> of action in far flung corners of the world, in Europe we lose a lot of our
>>>>> creditability when we allow things like this to happen on our own doorstep.
>>>>>
>>>>> Secondly - I don’t think ICANN should have a response, at the end of
>>>>> the day this is a content issue and that is something ICANN has no role in.
>>>>> If the whole of .cat had been taken down yes that would be a different
>>>>> conversation but again, my understanding is that its official LEO and
>>>>> government actions here with the takedowns.
>>>>>
>>>>> -James
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20 Sep 2017, at 20:22, Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm writing a blogpost from PK's side.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking forward seeing/hearing more voices :)
>>>>>
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>>>>> *Gus Rossi*
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>>>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Renata Avila <
>>>>> renata.avila at webfoundation.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Totally and it is not isolated from increasingly restrictive -
>>>>>> repressive laws and practices the Spanish government has approved and
>>>>>> practiced the last 5 years. And it sets a precedent of what is acceptable
>>>>>> if people from the international community remain silent.
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, politics are complicated. Everywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the defence of human rights is non partisan and a collective
>>>>>> responsibility.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am curious to read ICANN response and diff positions from our
>>>>>> organisations and spaces.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> R
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Renata Avila
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Senior Digital Rights Advisor*
>>>>>> renata.avila at webfoundation.org
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Context: *Catalunya is holding an independence referendum next
>>>>>>> month. The Spanish Constitution does not recognize any kind of questioning
>>>>>>> of the territorial integrity of Spain. But the Catalan parliament approved
>>>>>>> having a referendum anyway. Today, Spanish police carried out morning raids
>>>>>>> at regional government offices in Barcelona, arresting several Catalan
>>>>>>> officials involved in preparations for the referendum. In addition,
>>>>>>> websites have been shutdown or blocked, and .CAT domain technical staff
>>>>>>> have been detained. Also, the magazines of an important independentist
>>>>>>> association (Omnium Cultural) have been denied delivery by the Spanish
>>>>>>> postal service.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regardless of what you might think of the Catalan political process,
>>>>>>> independentist movements in Europe, or else, there are some things I wanted
>>>>>>> to bring to your attention.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *The Internet:* Right now, this conflict has definitively spilled
>>>>>>> over Internet Freedom of Expression, human rights, and the right to an open
>>>>>>> Internet:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .CAT domain has been intervened by the Spanish Police (Guardia
>>>>>>> Civil:  https://twitter.com/puntcat/status/910446518494269440) All
>>>>>>> web pages under that domain that have information about the referendum have
>>>>>>> been suspended.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The technical staff of .CAT has been detained by the police
>>>>>>> (including one ISOC-CAT member).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was the webpage calling for the catalan referendum:
>>>>>>> http://ref1oct.cat/. nic.EU is now hosting the webpage, but there
>>>>>>> are reports that Spanish authorities have ordered ISPs to block the DNSs:
>>>>>>> ref1oct.eu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are large DDoS attacks on some websites (apparently Cloudflare
>>>>>>> is under attack, as per some reports), and there is traffic
>>>>>>> manipulation by the ISPs (DNS blocking on certain domains).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In addition, there has been confiscation of personal goods of the
>>>>>>> Catalan politicians, police searches in newspapers and printing plants,
>>>>>>> some email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is Western Europe in 2017 that we are talking about. We should
>>>>>>> be worried.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> *Gus Rossi*
>>>>>>> Global Policy Director (202) 861-0020 (x123) | (202) 651 1337
>>>>>>> <(202)%651-1337> (mobile) | @agustinrs
>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/agustinrs>
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