<div><div dir="auto">Can we have the link to the video, please?</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 22:01 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com">raquino@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Wow<div>You just lost an incredible dialogue in LACNIC between Steve Crocker and Jordi Palet (community member who is from Catalonia)</div><div>Highly recommend watching the streaming</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Gus Rossi <span><<a href="mailto:gus@publicknowledge.org" target="_blank">gus@publicknowledge.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Article 155 of the Spanish Constitution establishes a mechanism for the intervention of a region (Comunidad Autonoma) that requires approval by the Senate after the President of the Spanish Government asks the President of the Comunidad Autonoma for redress (<a href="http://www.congreso.es/consti/constitucion/indice/titulos/articulos.jsp?ini=155&tipo=2" target="_blank">http://www.congreso.es/consti/constitucion/indice/titulos/articulos.jsp?ini=155&tipo=2</a>). Point here being: there is a Constitutional mechanism to do what the Spanish executive is doing through the action of the judiciary that involves and includes the opinion of the Parliament. In my opinion, this is a case that should include the voice of the Parliament. <div><br></div><div>But in addition, the Spanish President said today: "The Government is doing what it has to do" ( <a href="http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20170920/431423116122/cronologia-20s-inflexion-referendum-1-o.html" target="_blank">http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20170920/431423116122/cronologia-20s-inflexion-referendum-1-o.html</a> ).</div><div><br></div><div>So no Ayden, I think it is correct to talk about Spanish government. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-989835883735930596m_457416189541407722gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div><div><div>----<br><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="3" style="width:45pt;height:45pt;table-layout:fixed;color:rgb(197,194,197)"><tbody><tr style="line-height:0.5em"><td style="background-color:rgb(197,194,197);text-align:center;width:16px;height:15px">#</td><td style="background-color:rgb(197,194,197);text-align:center;width:16px;height:15px">#</td><td style="background-color:rgb(197,194,197);text-align:center;width:16px;height:15px">#</td></tr><tr style="line-height:0.5em"><td style="background-color:rgb(197,194,197);text-align:center;width:16px;height:15px">#</td><td style="color:rgb(223,52,28);text-align:center;width:16px;height:15px;background-color:rgb(223,52,28);border-radius:50%">•</td><td style="background-color:rgb(197,194,197);text-align:center;width:16px;height:15px">#</td></tr><tr style="line-height:0.5em"><td style="background-color:rgb(197,194,197);text-align:center;width:16px;height:15px">#</td><td style="background-color:rgb(197,194,197);text-align:center;width:16px;height:15px">#</td><td style="background-color:rgb(197,194,197);text-align:center;width:16px;height:15px"><br></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="margin-bottom:1em"><div><b><br>Gus Rossi</b></div><div>Global Policy Director <a href="tel:(202)%20861-0020" value="+12028610020" style="font-size:12.8px;color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">(202) 861-0020</a><span style="font-size:12.8px"> (x123) | </span><a href="tel:(202)%651-1337" value="+12025249576" style="font-size:12.8px;color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">(202) 651 1337</a> <span style="font-size:12.8px">(mobile) | </span><a href="https://twitter.com/agustinrs" style="font-size:12.8px;color:rgb(17,85,204);text-decoration:none" target="_blank">@agustinrs</a><b><br></b></div></div><div><b><font color="#ff0000">Public Knowledge</font></b> | <a href="https://twitter.com/publicknowledge" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);text-decoration:none" target="_blank">@publicknowledge</a> | <a href="http://www.publicknowledge.org/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);text-decoration:none" target="_blank">www.publicknowledge.org</a> <br><a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=1818+N+St.+NW,+Suite+410+%7C%C2%A0Washington,+DC+20036&entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank">1818 N St. NW, Suite 410 | Washington, DC 20036</a> | CFC 12259</div><div><br></div><div><div><b>The IP3 Awards are September 28th!</b> RSVP at <a href="http://publicknowledge.org/IP32017" target="_blank">publicknowledge.org/IP32017</a>.</div></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br></span><div><div class="m_-989835883735930596h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ayden Férdeline <span><<a href="mailto:ayden@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">ayden@ferdeline.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>There is a separation of powers in Spain; this action is the result of judicial action, not the more ominous sounding "Spanish government" ;-). I think it is important we remember this. Thanks!<span class="m_-989835883735930596m_457416189541407722HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div><span class="m_-989835883735930596m_457416189541407722HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div class="m_-989835883735930596m_457416189541407722m_-2692809505235727437protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_-989835883735930596m_457416189541407722m_-2692809505235727437protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Ayden Férdeline<br></div><div><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" title="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/ferdeline</a><br></div></div><div class="m_-989835883735930596m_457416189541407722m_-2692809505235727437protonmail_signature_block-proton m_-989835883735930596m_457416189541407722m_-2692809505235727437protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div></font></span><div class="m_-989835883735930596m_457416189541407722HOEnZb"><div class="m_-989835883735930596m_457416189541407722h5"><div><br></div><blockquote class="m_-989835883735930596m_457416189541407722m_-2692809505235727437protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [bestbits] Spain/Catalunya Developments. Scary<br></div><div>Local Time: 20 September 2017 7:29 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: 20 September 2017 18:29<br></div><div>From: <a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a><br></div><div>To: James Gannon <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>><br></div><div>Gus Rossi <<a href="mailto:gus@publicknowledge.org" target="_blank">gus@publicknowledge.org</a>>, Renata Avila <<a href="mailto:renata.avila@webfoundation.org" target="_blank">renata.avila@webfoundation.org</a>>, <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>> < <<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>I like this thread<br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://twitter.com/netfreedom/status/910498838137499648" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/netfreedom/status/910498838137499648</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>The violence of it all could end up taking offline things which have nothing to do w/ Catalonia at all<br></div><div><br></div><div>i would be careful, though, with the brand "Spanish government". Itself is very divided and so far I haven't really understood who was the genius responsible for this raid.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:26 PM, James Gannon <span><<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Im going to go out on a limb here and split my response, <br></div><div><br></div><div>First - this is a terrible terrible action, the right of people to self organise and decide their future should be sacrosanct and these heavy handed tactics should be denounced far and wide. We fight against this kind of action in far flung corners
of the world, in Europe we lose a lot of our creditability when we allow things like this to happen on our own doorstep.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Secondly - I don’t think ICANN should have a response, at the end of the day this is a content issue and that is something ICANN has no role in. If the whole of .cat had been taken down yes that would be a different conversation but again, my
understanding is that its official LEO and government actions here with the takedowns.<br></div><span class="m_-989835883735930596m_457416189541407722m_-2692809505235727437HOEnZb"><span class="m_-989835883735930596m_457416189541407722m_-2692809505235727437colour" style="color:#888888"><div><br></div><div>-James<br></div></span></span><div><div class="m_-989835883735930596m_457416189541407722m_-2692809505235727437h5"><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 20 Sep 2017, at 20:22, Gus Rossi <<a href="mailto:gus@publicknowledge.org" target="_blank">gus@publicknowledge.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>I'm writing a blogpost from PK's side. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Looking forward seeing/hearing more voices :)<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" class="m_-989835883735930596m_457416189541407722m_-2692809505235727437m_1844370418939247360gmail_signature"><div><div><div><div>----<br></div><div> <br></div><table style="width:45pt;height:45pt;table-layout:fixed;color:rgb(197,194,197)" cellspacing="3" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr style="line-height:0.5em"><td style="background-color:rgb(197,194,197);text-align:center;width:16px;height:15px">#<br></td><td style="background-color:rgb(197,194,197);text-align:center;width:16px;height:15px">#<br></td><td style="background-color:rgb(197,194,197);text-align:center;width:16px;height:15px">#<br></td></tr><tr style="line-height:0.5em"><td style="background-color:rgb(197,194,197);text-align:center;width:16px;height:15px">#<br></td><td style="color:rgb(223,52,28);text-align:center;width:16px;height:15px;background-color:rgb(223,52,28);border-radius:50%">•<br></td><td style="background-color:rgb(197,194,197);text-align:center;width:16px;height:15px">#<br></td></tr><tr style="line-height:0.5em"><td style="background-color:rgb(197,194,197);text-align:center;width:16px;height:15px">#<br></td><td style="background-color:rgb(197,194,197);text-align:center;width:16px;height:15px">#<br></td><td style="background-color:rgb(197,194,197);text-align:center;width:16px;height:15px"><br></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="margin-bottom:1em"><div><b><br>Gus Rossi</b></div><div>Global Policy Director <a style="font-size:12.8px;color:rgb(17,85,204)" value="+12028610020" href="tel:(202)%20861-0020" target="_blank">(202) 861-0020</a><span class="m_-989835883735930596m_457416189541407722m_-2692809505235727437size" style="font-size:12.8px"> (x123) | </span><a style="font-size:12.8px;color:rgb(17,85,204)" value="+12025249576" href="tel:(202)%651-1337" target="_blank">(202)
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parliament approved having a referendum anyway. Today, Spanish police carried out morning raids at regional government offices in Barcelona, arresting several Catalan officials involved in preparations for the referendum. In addition, websites have been shutdown
or blocked, and .CAT domain technical staff have been detained. Also, the magazines of an important independentist association (Omnium Cultural) have been denied delivery by the Spanish postal service.</span><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Regardless of what you might think of the Catalan political process, independentist movements in Europe, or else, there are some things I wanted to bring to your attention. <br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span class="m_-989835883735930596m_457416189541407722m_-2692809505235727437size" style="font-size:12.8px"></span><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span class="m_-989835883735930596m_457416189541407722m_-2692809505235727437size" style="font-size:12.8px"><b>The Internet:</b> Right now, this conflict has definitively spilled over Internet Freedom of Expression, human rights, and the right to an open Internet:</span><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span class="m_-989835883735930596m_457416189541407722m_-2692809505235727437size" style="font-size:12.8px"> </span><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">.CAT domain has been intervened by the Spanish Police (Guardia Civil: <a href="https://twitter.com/puntcat/status/910446518494269440" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/puntcat/status/910446518494269440</a>)
All web pages under that domain that have information about the referendum have been suspended. <br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">The technical staff of .CAT has been detained by the police (including one ISOC-CAT member). <br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">This was the webpage calling for the catalan referendum: <a href="http://ref1oct.cat/" target="_blank">http://ref1oct.cat/</a>. nic.EU is now hosting the webpage, but there are reports that Spanish
authorities have ordered ISPs to block the DNSs: <a style="font-size:14px" href="http://ref1oct.eu/" target="_blank">ref1oct.eu</a><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">There are large DDoS attacks on some websites (apparently Cloudflare is under attack, as per some reports<span class="m_-989835883735930596m_457416189541407722m_-2692809505235727437size" style="font-size:12.8px">), and there is traffic manipulation by the ISPs (DNS blocking on certain
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